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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was going through the end credits of Star Wars: The Phantom Menace and Jabba the Hutt is credited as such.
Role Actor
Jabba the Hutt Himself
I went and looked up 'Himself' on the credit lookup Tool and "Himself" as an actor appears in the following films profiles.
100 Women
The Aviator (8 profiles)
Bachelor Mother
Der bewegte Mann: Audio Video Foto Bild
Dead Bodies
The Dead Next Door
Field of Dreams (2 profiles)
Fix og Færdig
Hardball
Head Cheerleader Dead Cheerleader
Hellbent
M*A*S*H: Season One: Collector's Edition
Philadelphia
The Replacements (4 profiles)
Six Days Seven Nights
Smokin' Aces: Verleihversion
Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace (4 profiles)
Who's Your Caddy?
I certainly don't remember Jabba the Hutt in Field of Dreams or The Aviator.
Now I found one profile for Star Wars:TPM that used a credited as.
Jabba the Hutt [Himself] as Jabba the Hutt
I don't think 'Himself or Herself' should ever be entered as an actors name, credited as sure but not used as a real actors name. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | [Never mind; just take a look at the thread tarantino mentioned]. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
I don't think 'Himself or Herself' should ever be entered as an actors name, credited as sure but not used as a real actors name. It should be neither used as a person's name nor as a credited as name. It should exclusively used as a role name. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks.
Another question related to Star Wars.
On the Bonus Disc of the Star Wars trilogy there is the 2.5 hour documentary in which a number of actors audition for roles. My question is would they get credited or not?
They are credited as they appear on screen, but only during the audition footage. So would the footage be considered as 'Archive Footage' and thus not be credited at all or be credited with or w/o the uncredited box checked? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting CubbyUps:
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I don't think 'Himself or Herself' should ever be entered as an actors name, credited as sure but not used as a real actors name.
It should be neither used as a person's name nor as a credited as name. It should exclusively used as a role name. Says who? | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
Thanks.
Another question related to Star Wars.
On the Bonus Disc of the Star Wars trilogy there is the 2.5 hour documentary in which a number of actors audition for roles. My question is would they get credited or not?
They are credited as they appear on screen, but only during the audition footage. So would the footage be considered as 'Archive Footage' and thus not be credited at all or be credited with or w/o the uncredited box checked? If this is bonus material... according to the rules they should not be listed at all... rules quote: Quote:
Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features. See where I put in bold... special features do not get cast/crew. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well the entire disc is "Special Features" and the profile already has a partial list of cast members and 2 directors credited.
I even did a credit lookup and there is many profiles for the Bonus Materials disc that list these "cast" members in their profiles and that includes those that auditioned for roles including Kurt Russell. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | does not mean they are correct per the rules... as the rules clearly state not to use cast/crew for people only in special features... per the rules they should not be there. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't own the Superman set but there is a disc that holds a documentary about the films and that profile has cast/crew included.
Look, Up in the Sky! The Amazing Story of Superman
Direction:
Kevin Burns: Director
Writing:
James Grant Goldin: Writer
Steven Smith: Writer
Production:
Bryan Singer: Executive Producer
Kevin Burns: Executive Producer
Stacey M. Zipfel: Producer
Mark McLaughlin: Producer
Scott Hartford: Producer
Cinematography:
Andres Garreton: Director of Photography
Film Editing:
Kevin Benson: Film Editor
Troy Bogert: Film Editor
David Comtois: Film Editor
John Richardson: Film Editor
Molly Shock: Film Editor
DISC ONE: LOOK, UP IN THE SKY! THE AMAZING STORY OF SUPERMAN™
Featuring sneak-peek footage from 'Superman Returns'™, this fascinating chronicle traces how each generation from the 1930s onward claims the Man of Steel™ as its own, and how Superman™ in turn reflects those generations. Next, discover how 'Superman Returns'™ brings the legend fully into the 21st century.
DISC TWO: BRYAN SINGER'S VIDEO JOURNALS
Making a multimillion-dollar Super Hero epic is no ordinary experience. It's an extraordinary adventure - and now you can share the behind-the-scenes thrills. Filmmaker Bryan Singer is your guide for this revealing video journal that puts you in the know and on the set of Superman Returns.
DISC THREE: YOU WILL BELIEVE: THE CINEMATIC SAGE OF SUPERMAN
'Origin': Superman in the media, and the challenges the Salkinds faced.
'Vision': Creating the right script, choosing the right director and casting the right actors.
'Ascent': The production and launch of a new kind of fantasy film.
'Crisis': Complications and conflicts between the creative forces behind 'Superman II'.
'Redemption': Criticisms and burnout of 'Superman III' and 'Superman IV: The Quest for Peace'
ALSO INSIDE
'The Mythology of Superman'
The legend, folklore and cultural influences that shaped Superman
'The Heart of a Hero: A Tribute to Christopher Reeve'
Family and friends reflect.
PLUS FROM THE SUPERMAN VAULT:
'The Adventures of Superpup' 1958 TV Pilot
3 Classic Warner Bros. Cartoons:
'Super-Rabbit'
'Snafuperman'
'Stupor Duck'
Actors
Kevin Spacey as Narrator (voice)
Gerard Jones as Author/ Historian
Forrest J Ackerman as Imagimovie Expert
Elliot S! Maggin as Comic Book Writer
Mark Hamill as Actor/ Comic Book Fan
Mark Waid as Comic Book Writer/ Historian
Gene Simmons as Musician/ Comic Book Fan
Stan Lee as Comic Book Legend
Stephen Fishler as Comic Book Dealer
Chuck McCann as Actor
Philip Hecht as Superman Collector
Gail Simone as Comic Book Writer
Paul Levitz as President & Publisher, DC Comics
Noel Neill as Actress, "Lois Lane"
Gary H. Grossman as Author/ Historian
Jack Larson as Actor, "Jimmy Olsen"
Bill Mumy as Actor/ Comic Book Fan/ "Tommy Puck"
Dennis O'Neil as Comic Book Writer
Annette O'Toole as Actress, "Lana lang"/ "Martha Kent"
Adam West as Actor, "Batman"
Norman Twain as Producer
Lesley Ann Warren as Actress, "Lois Lane"
Bryan Singer as Director, "Superman Returns"
Ilya Salkind as Producer
Richard Donner as Director, "Superman: The Movie"
Tom Mankiewicz as Screenwriter
Barbara Johnson as Christopher Reeve's Mother
Margot Kidder as Actress, "Lois Lane"
Jackie Cooper as Actor, "Perry White
Mike Carlin as Senior Group Editor, DC Comics
Gerard Christopher as Actor, "Superboy"
Art Thibert as Comic Book Artist
Dean Cain as Actor, "Clark Kent"/ "Superman"
Alfred Gough as Creator, "Smallville"
Miles Millar as Creator, "Smallville"
Dan Didio as Senior VP-Executive Editor, DC Universe
Jon Peters as Producer, "Superman Returns"
Michael Dougherty as Screenwriter, "Superman Returns"
Dan Harris as Screenwriter, "Superman Returns"
Thomas Tull as Executive Producer, "Superman Returns"
Brandon Routh as Actor, "Clark Kent" / Superman"
Kate Bosworth as Actress, "Lois Lane"
Sam Huntington as Actor. "Jimmy Olsen"
Chris Lee as Executive Producer, "Superman Returns"
Gilbert Adler as Producer, "Superman Returns"
So I guess all of those should be deleted as well? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now I never said no documentary can have cast and crew... from the way I understand it... "Look, Up in the Sky! The Amazing Story of Superman" is a documentary that is a feature of it's own which was released on it's own. Making it able to have cast/crew... at least from how I understand it... the way it was explained when something similar came up a while back ago.
But if it is just a documentary... made only to be a bonus feature to the set.... then that does not get cast/crew as we don't add them to special features. If this (star wars set) is the same way (released separately as a feature itself) I would not know.. but going by the info you gave I can only tell you what I have been told in the past.
Now if this is a documentary that was released separately as it's own feature such as "Look, Up in the Sky! The Amazing Story of Superman"... then it too should have cast/crew... and then I would say... with documentation I don't see why they couldn't be credited with the uncredited box checked. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting CubbyUps:
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I don't think 'Himself or Herself' should ever be entered as an actors name, credited as sure but not used as a real actors name.
It should be neither used as a person's name nor as a credited as name. It should exclusively used as a role name.
Says who? It's written directly above your quotation: a user with the username RHo (aka myself).  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally I think it's rather dumb then to not be able to contribute cast/crew from a 2.5 hour documentary on such a popular series of films just because the documentary appears on a "Special Features" disc of a set.
I think that the original intent of that part of the rule was so that cast/crew would not be entered into a particular films profile. For example, Dante's Peak has a documentary on the same disc as the film and it would be wrong to use a divider to be able to include those that appear in the documentary.
This also wouldn't be right for 2 or 4 disc sets which are housed in the same case such as Titanic or The Lord of the Rings: Extended Editions and without their own individual case.
But in the case of the Star Wars Special Features disc it is housed in it's own keep case and has it's own disc ID already in the database. |
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| | Posted: | | | | I think you mis-understood me... when I said released on it's own... I didn't mean released on DVD on it's own... I meant originally... for example...
"Look, Up in the Sky! The Amazing Story of Superman" was originally aired on TV as a documentary of it's own.
"Boogie Nights"... which is a documentary on the making of the movie "From dusk til Dawn" was (from what I understand) originally released in the theater with it's own release date.
But something that was created for the DVD release does not count as something that was seperately released... so would not be one of the "Features" of the set... so being only a dvd extra would not get cast/crew.
That is how I understand it from the rules... and the explanation the last time something like this came up.
Now... whether or not this documentary you are talking about qualifies as such... that I do not know as I am not familiar with it's origins. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I also think the special features rule applies when the bonus material covers only one film. ie you don't add cast & crew to the end of the main movie profile.
But a special features disc that covers multiple films (as in this case) is allowed to have it's own profile so I don't see why it shouldn't have it's own cast & crew either.
That rule was to prevent us adding special features cast & crew to the movie profile, not to stop us adding any cast & crew to a special features specific profile. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm pretty sure that this 2.5 hour documentary is a longer version of the same documentary that aired on A&E or AMC (whatever network it was). But I can't recall if it aired before or after the dvd release, if it matters. |
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