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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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The sort field could also be local only to stop ping-ponging contributions.
So for every name I have to personally change the order in the program to be able to find the right last name? No, thanks. No, I figured it would work like the title sort field. The initial creation of an online profile would create a sort name, which would then download with the rest of the profile. However, any changes to that sort name would remain local. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | North:
For the record, i don't care what the answer is as long is doesn't mess with the foundation of As Credited. I have outlined how everyone's wishes can and at present time should be achieved. Anything that winds up with fictional names such Gong Li instead of Li Gong would foundationally wrong. . As I have said the yardstick that we use is FILM CREDITS, if you want fictional data that has no basis relative to the film there are plenty of places that can gotten.
Sadly Martin's comment backs up what i have also said, there are users who don't want the local and the Online to be one and the same, they awant the data to all come pre-packaged according to their biases and preferences and not do anything additionally. If they wreck the usefulness of the database for everyone else but get what THEY want they would be very happy.
A/B/C with the adjustment plan I have suggested works. One name field works but will NOT end arguments, Two name fields will not work PERIOD. That's an example of what I said above. Enry and some think the Two name would work just fine because of therir culture, while for American names Two names would make a total hash of the data, because we don't do thing name-wise the way you do in Europe. Not a SINGLE use, not even you north, has attempted to address the point that I have made in explaining the A/B/C system and how it can be adapted with documentation to handle ALMOST anything. Every response thrown out me is not about data, it is about culture, but I will list the points again.
With A/B/C I have acknowledged that it will not always be correct.
A/B/C is easy for EVERY user to enter as a starting point in EACH AND EVERY case simply based upon what he sees ON SCREEN.
And unlike the two name system, there is method to correctly parse the names with documentation
The only other thing is documenting correct parsing from the very begiinning if you use it. Because if you don't I will support a change to three name simply BECAUSE you did not document it. I want to know what you know (reasnably) is correct, not what you THINK is right.
And we must ALL operate from the SAME page because what you do affects EVERYONE else in the world of profiler.
The single most important function is that A/B/C is EASY for EVERY user to implement EVERY TIME for EVERY MOVIE or TV. Any other system is not, to be able to function within any other additional knowledge beyond the screen is required
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| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
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According to someone, A/B/C is as data are on screen: the first word is the first name, the word in the middle is the middle name and the last word is the last name. Word counting, that is.
For discussion sake, let's say he is right, or at least that that parsing is as good as any other, when we don't have a clue, so why not?
But then, what's the problem with 2 name fields?
Word counting (as a default choice when we don't have a clue) would work exactly in the same way.
The "first name + middle name" field would contain A+B, and the "last name" field would contain "C".
"As on screen"! 
EDIT: Anyway, I would be quite happy with Northbloke's proposal.
I am fairly sure you are being sarcastic but I wanted to address this so that nobody got confused. This isn't really 'word counting'. It is more 'positional'. Actually you are right: it is more 'positional', as you say, but I used the expression 'word counting' because that's how it is usually referred to. Quote:
For two word names, there is no 'middle name'. There is a 'first name' and a 'last name'. That means it would be parsed 'first/ /last', not 'first/ last/ ' as you suggested above. Yes, but my example was about three word names, not about two word names. I just suggested that a three word name in three fields would default to A/B/C "as on screen" (so to speak!), but the same three word name in two fields would default to A B / C "as on screen", so the former isn't more "as on screen" than the latter. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Because if you don't I will support a change to three name simply BECAUSE you did not document it. This is not supported by the rules. I would vote against it. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Yes, but my example was about three word names, not about two word names.
I just suggested that a three word name in three fields would default to A/B/C "as on screen" (so to speak!), but the same three word name in two fields would default to A B / C "as on screen", so the former isn't more "on screen" than the latter. You are correct, I misread your post. Sorry about that.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just wanted to mention that contribution notes are tied to a profile and not to an actor/crew member. So in order to document the parsing it would need to be entered in every profile they are in otherwise anytime you edit a profile with them you would be able to question the parsing of their name.
further more, every time someone adds cast/crew to a profile, if they don't already have a specific actor/crew in any of their current profiles they will need to parse 'from scratch' (as you can't really look up an actor/crew member and check their documentation) so if is one of these exceptions to A/B/C and they don't know that, it won't link to the rest of that persons profiles until someone that knows the correct parsing comes along and fixes it.
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| | Registered: March 26, 2007 | | Posts: 196 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
A lot of problems could be solved by having one single name field but then adding a sort field for that name, like we currently do for titles.
So we would have "Helena Bonham Carter" sorted by "Bonham Carter, Helena" or "Gong Li" sorted by "Li, Gong" etc.
That way, the parsing problems would go but we would still be able to sort by last name. The sort field could also be local only to stop ping-ponging contributions. northbloke wins. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
A lot of problems could be solved by having one single name field but then adding a sort field for that name, like we currently do for titles.
So we would have "Helena Bonham Carter" sorted by "Bonham Carter, Helena" or "Gong Li" sorted by "Li, Gong" etc. I am a little confused here, but why would we need a sort field for actors? I have been looking and can't find an option that lets me sort my cast list by name.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 26, 2007 | | Posts: 196 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I am a little confused here, but why would we need a sort field for actors? I have been looking and can't find an option that lets me sort my cast list by name. Select a DVD, click Edit, click Cast. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting smeehrrr: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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I am a little confused here, but why would we need a sort field for actors? I have been looking and can't find an option that lets me sort my cast list by name.
Select a DVD, click Edit, click Cast. I have been there. The actor list is sorted, alphabetically, by first name. Again, unless I am missing something, I can not find a place where I can sort them differently. I mean, yea, I can set the program to list them 'last name first', but don't know why that would matter. I know why we need a sort title for the 'title field', but why would we need one for the actors. Does anybody sort their crew or cast lists alphabetically? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I have been there. The actor list is sorted, alphabetically, by first name.
Then I am a lucky one, my actor list is sorted by last name   Same goes for the Cast list in the Filter window:  Quote:
Again, unless I am missing something, I can not find a place where I can sort them differently. I don't recall having changed any setting. Quote:
I mean, yea, I can set the program to list them 'last name first', but don't know why that would matter.
You are right, that doesn't matter. Quote:
I know why we need a sort title for the 'title field', but why would we need one for the actors. Does anybody sort their crew or cast lists alphabetically? Well, we already have it.  | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Does anybody sort their crew or cast lists alphabetically? Yes. See Credits Plus.But I don't see the need for single field + sort. I'm quite happy with the current solution. Just because some people here like to argue on an on about name parsing doesn't make it a bad one. | | | | Matthias |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm with you on this one, Mathias.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Does anybody sort their crew or cast lists alphabetically?
Yes. See Credits Plus.
Yes, your great tool allows to list Cast&Crew alphabetically in a profile. However, the general list of all Cast & Crew members (in the Edit window and in the Filter window) is automatically sorted anyway. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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I have been there. The actor list is sorted, alphabetically, by first name.
Then I am a lucky one, my actor list is sorted by last name O.k., so I am an idiot. My actor list is sorted by last name. The first bunch of actors in my list, for some reason, have their entire names entered into the first name field. That is why they are being sorted by 'first name'. DOH! | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I am fairly sure you are being sarcastic but I wanted to address this so that nobody got confused. This isn't really 'word counting'. It is more 'positional'. For two word names, there is no 'middle name'. There is a 'first name' and a 'last name'. That means it would be parsed 'first/ /last', not 'first/ last/ ' as you suggested above. I have often wondered why people argue about "word counting" too. I've never understood what those who refer to this as "word counting" mean. I agree that it's a positional thing, not a counting one. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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