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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules state to use the year of the theatrical release, but what if the movie was shown on TV before it was released in theaters, such as Forgotten Silver? | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would think this would be like a made for TV movie, or even a direct to video release. I would use the year of the first release/airing. Not all movies get released to the theater. The wording is unfortunate as it does specifically say first theatrical release, but I think the intent is clear enough to use first release.
-Agrare |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,312 |
| | | Registered: March 24, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,044 |
| | Posted: | | | | I concur, first airing = theatrical release. Rory  | | | DVD Profiler for iOS as of 3/5/2013
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|   | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | IMO if the movie has a theatrical release, this is the year that should be used as production year (according to the rules), regardless if it has been shown on TV before (as Forgotten Silver mentioned in the OP).
If - however - the movie is a "made for TV" movie (without any theatrical release), we evidently have to use the year which it was originally aired on TV. | | | Berak
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | From what I could find, this was a 'made for TV' movie. As such, the production year should be the year first aired. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
From what I could find, this was a 'made for TV' movie. As such, the production year should be the year first aired. But - it's had a theatrical release also, and according to the rules this should be the PY entered in the DB. (Faulty logic, I know, but correct according to the rules nonetheless IMO). | | | Berak
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| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
From what I could find, this was a 'made for TV' movie. As such, the production year should be the year first aired. I'm going to have agree with Unicus here, since it was made as a "movie of the week" and wasn't originally intended for a theatrical release. That being the case, production year would be the year it aired on tv, which was 1995 in New Zealand, but was released in theatres till 1997. Sources: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0116344/releaseinfo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_Silver | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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From what I could find, this was a 'made for TV' movie. As such, the production year should be the year first aired.
But - it's had a theatrical release also, and according to the rules this should be the PY entered in the DB. (Faulty logic, I know, but correct according to the rules nonetheless IMO). As I said the wording is unfortunate and I think the simple removal of the word 'theatrical' would solve the issue. Quote:
Enter the year of the original theatrical release. For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released. Theatrical is only used at one point, it later just refers to original release (and re-release). I believe it is pretty obvious that the intent (I know, we can't go by the 'intent' of the rules but only by what they say, but aren't we allowed to use a little common sense). If we truly want to go by the rules, then if it never had a theatrical release (TV series aside because they have a clarification) any made for TV or Direct To Video movie has to have the production year left blank. Which goes contrary to what you say in your post, even though you start off advocating the 'letter of the law'. Its just completely illogical to use a later year because it was later (possibly years down the road) decided to show it in a theater, to argue otherwise, imho, only serves the purpose of 'causing trouble' -Agrare |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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From what I could find, this was a 'made for TV' movie. As such, the production year should be the year first aired.
But - it's had a theatrical release also, and according to the rules this should be the PY entered in the DB. (Faulty logic, I know, but correct according to the rules nonetheless IMO). You are correct, it is faulty logic...mainly because we have scores of DVDs that never had a theatrical release. If we follow this rule 'to the letter', none of those DVDs can have a production year. While I don't like it, this is one of those rules that doesn't work as written. As such, we must use what we believe it to mean rather than what it actually says. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for your input. I agree the wording of the rules is unfortunate, and in cases like this it would be better to use the first release, whatever format it comes on. Hopefully this revision will make it into the rules at some point. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | <shakes head> This thread has had me laughing from the get go, I have absolutely no problems in understanding the issue or what the appropriate answer is...amazing.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
I would think this would be like a made for TV movie, or even a direct to video release. I would use the year of the first release/airing. Not all movies get released to the theater. The wording is unfortunate as it does specifically say first theatrical release, but I think the intent is clear enough to use first release. I agree with this interpretation too | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
But - it's had a theatrical release also, and according to the rules this should be the PY entered in the DB. (Faulty logic, I know, but correct according to the rules nonetheless IMO).
Enter the year of the original theatrical release. For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released.
Theatrical is only used at one point, it later just refers to original release (and re-release). I believe it is pretty obvious that the intent (I know, we can't go by the 'intent' of the rules but only by what they say, but aren't we allowed to use a little common sense). If we truly want to go by the rules, then if it never had a theatrical release (TV series aside because they have a clarification) any made for TV or Direct To Video movie has to have the production year left blank. Which goes contrary to what you say in your post, even though you start off advocating the 'letter of the law'.
Its just completely illogical to use a later year because it was later (possibly years down the road) decided to show it in a theater, to argue otherwise, imho, only serves the purpose of 'causing trouble'
-Agrare Yet another reason to switch to the Copyrighted year in the actual Credit Block (normally at the end of the film itself. If through no fault of the Producer/ Director etc a production is shelved for a few years (often down to 'Political Situations' in house or world in general) it won't change the time the film was actually made. Steve |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
Yet another reason to switch to the Copyrighted year in the actual Credit Block (normally at the end of the film itself. If through no fault of the Producer/ Director etc a production is shelved for a few years (often down to 'Political Situations' in house or world in general) it won't change the time the film was actually made.Steve But precisely because of those "political" issues it's also interesting to keep track of the release. Which means we need two fields...  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
But precisely because of those "political" issues it's also interesting to keep track of the release. Which means we need two fields... Why two fields? If the end credits say 'Copyright XXXX'. That's the year of Production. It wouldn't make any difference if the film sat on the shelf then for 1 year, 5 years, 10 years or even 100 years, The Credits would still say 'Copyright XXXX', or is that too simple. Steve |
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