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Theme by & Additonal Music
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantnolesrule
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But you aren't concerned with people entering them incorrectly as song writers?
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But you aren't concerned with people entering them incorrectly as song writers?

No. Because I don't consider that to be incorrect at all - and neither do the rules. Look, we're getting absolutely nowhere, and that's because we're talking about various things at the same time.

Step one is this: the rules do NOT allow theme writers to be entered as "composers". We really should all agree on this, because the rules really don't leave room for any other interpretation.

Step two is: seeing as we can't use "composer", is there another way we can we credit these theme writers? I feel we can: because I don't feel that songs must contain lyrics, I can enter an original instrumental theme writer as a "song writer". It's obvious that some people have trouble with this, and I don't mind. It doesn't take away anything from the previous step, though.
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That doesn't make sense. You basically are implying that since it's author can't be a composer, then it has to be a song writer because that is the only other option that the program gives.

That just doesn't make sense.
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The word 'song' means: a short musical composition with words.

For the umpteenth time: outside definitions have no bearing on how we look at things for DVD Profiler purposes, so I just don't care. If this definition was in the rules, you'd be absolutely right. But it isn't.
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Let me see if I understand you correctly.  Because the rules do not define the word 'song', you have decided to create your own meaning?  I am sorry but, and at the risk of a red arrow, that is beyond silly.

I don't need the rules to define the word 'song' for me.  Just like every other word used in the rules, it already has one.

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I want to track the theme writer, the use of "composer" is prohibited, but using "song writer" isn't. So that's what I use - it's as simple as that, and as I've said all along, I've used nothing else than our own contribution rules to come to that conclusion. It sure seems like a better solution than lumping them together with the actual composer of the score, which, again, is simply not allowed by the rules.


Like it or not, words have meaning.  When you read something you have to abide by that meaning, unless told otherwise as we were with 'Box Sets'.  You can't just decide to make up your own meanings to accomidate your own personal preferences.

The only solution, under the current rules, is to leave them out.
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Let me show this one again:
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If that's what I see on the screen - who am I to decide that those aren't songs?
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And that is just one case, which you seem to be citing as proof for all other credits. What about all the other ones that don't say "SONG" anywhere near the "theme by" credit? You assume they are all songs based on this one example?

BTW, this fits under the definition of "theme song without lyrics" that I discussed a few pages back...which is basically a signature tune that can usually be found in the opening credits (usually of a TV show).
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And that is just one case, which you seem to be citing as proof for all other credits. What about all the other ones that don't say "SONG" anywhere near the "theme by" credit? You assume they are all songs based on this one example?

If you look for it, you'll be amazed how many instrumental themes are listed under "SONGS" headers in film credits - it's not at all uncommon.
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If that's what I see on the screen - who am I to decide that those aren't songs?


The fact that someone used the word in the film credits does not trump the accepted, dictionary definition, of the word.  All that proves is the person who entered those credits didn't know what the word meant either.  Nothing more, nothing less.
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Sigh... I think I give up. It's getting pretty late over here - I'm going to bed. I'll try to work up some new energy, and we'll do this all over again next month, like we always do, okay? Or maybe Ken will chime in and put an end to this - I sincerely hope so. Again: I'll gladly take any decision by Ken over this endless bickering.

One final note: we may disagree over whether it's better to leave them out altogether or to use "song writer", but let's at least agree that the rules do NOT allow using "composer" for theme writers.
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Sigh... I think I give up. It's getting pretty late over here - I'm going to bed. I'll try to work up some new energy, and we'll do this all over again next month, like we always do, okay? Or maybe Ken will chime in and put an end to this - I sincerely hope so. Again: I'll gladly take any decision by Ken over this endless bickering.

Come here. I'll slide over on the bench and you can sit next to me for a while until you get your strength back. 

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One final note: we may disagree over whether it's better to leave them out altogether or to use "song writer", but let's at least agree that the rules do NOT allow using "composer" for theme writers.

I agree.
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Let me show this one again:
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If that's what I see on the screen - who am I to decide that those aren't songs?

Per this screenshot they are Songs.  However the credits for Goldsmith, Courage and Berlin could not be submitted because they aren't original to this film.

If they can't be submitted when explicitly declared songs i don't see how they could be interpreted as Songs under less explicit circumstances.

I can wait for Theme By.
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One final note: we may disagree over whether it's better to leave them out altogether or to use "song writer", but let's at least agree that the rules do NOT allow using "composer" for theme writers.


I would certainly agree with that. 
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No, it's not obvious.  The theme is part of the score.  Therefore, composer is appropriate.

But I will heartily agree that this cannot in any way be resolved without Ken's input.
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No, it's not obvious.  The theme is part of the score.  Therefore, composer is appropriate.

But I will heartily agree that this cannot in any way be resolved without Ken's input.


Every piece of music in the script is "part of the score".  By your logic, every person credited with music would be credited as a "Composer".
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No, it's not obvious.  The theme is part of the score.  Therefore, composer is appropriate.

But I will heartily agree that this cannot in any way be resolved without Ken's input.

Agreed again

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One final note: we may disagree over whether it's better to leave them out altogether or to use "song writer", but let's at least agree that the rules do NOT allow using "composer" for theme writers.


How would that be any fun? 

Oh, what the heck...I agree.
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