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Prosthetic Makeup - How to credit?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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I've seen quite a few credits for such things as Prosthetic Makeup Designed by, Prosthetic Makeup Created by, Prosthetic Makeup Artist and others similar credits.


Would any of these be credited and if so, which category? Makeup or Makeup Effects?
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I wouldn't enter them.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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I've seen quite a few credits for such things as Prosthetic Makeup Designed by, Prosthetic Makeup Created by, Prosthetic Makeup Artist and others similar credits.


Would any of these be credited and if so, which category? Makeup or Makeup Effects?

They are not in the crew roles list of the rule, so they must not be contributed.
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I would enter the Prosthetic Makeup [Effects] Designer/Creator/Supervisor as Makeup Effects, but not the Prosthetic Makeup Artists.
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I, mostly, agree with Martin.  Where I differ is with the 'Prosthetic Make-up Artist'...I would enter them as they are responsible for making sure the prosthetics look good.  They do for the prosthetics what a regular make-up artist does for an actor.
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I would not enter the Prosthetic Make-up Artists, because I like to concentrate on the principals and I don't want whole lists of people. If however there is only one credit Prosthetic Make-up I could make an exception.
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I'm of the opinion that prosthetic make-up is nearly the definiton of make-up effects, and am noticing as I audit more horror movies that it's also quite a common term, which should probably be added to the wording of the rules as acceptable.
Make-up effects is creating an effect that something is there that isn't. Prosthetics  do the same thing!
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What he ^ said.
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I hope Ken will add these jobs to the chart so there is no controversy over including them in the make-up credits. Their role is, after all, as important to the horror film as a "regular" make-up person is to all films.
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The problem is, as with the credits Special Effects and Digital Effects, that users start to enter whole groups of Assistants, Technicians or Artists once they see a group of people who are credited as Prosthetic Make-up, and in my opinion the crew sections in our online database should only contain the creative artists and heads of the departments and not the ones who work for them. So, if the credited as section for Make-up Effects is expanded, it should be mentioned that we should primarily be looking for the crew I mentioned in my first post of this topic.
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Martin,

I don't necessarily have a problem with your approach, but since we have a category for Make Up Artist wouldn't that include ALL M-U artists and not just the principal ones? Unless someone is identified as "supervisory" or "chief" or "principal" how do we know where to draw the line? (Unless someone is identified in the opening credits and the rest in the end credits, which doesn't happen very often for the make-up crew)  And if that is true, how could we restrict the Prosthetic M-U to just the principals?

Having said this, I can see that adding this group could open the door to a large number of different categories of M-U people, so on one hand I'm against crediting them -- and on the other hand I'm for doing so.
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The problem is, as with the credits Special Effects and Digital Effects, that users start to enter whole groups of Assistants, Technicians or Artists once they see a group of people who are credited as Prosthetic Make-up, and in my opinion the crew sections in our online database should only contain the creative artists and heads of the departments and not the ones who work for them. So, if the credited as section for Make-up Effects is expanded, it should be mentioned that we should primarily be looking for the crew I mentioned in my first post of this topic.

So you don't want to credit the people who do the actual work?  I am sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense to me.

In my opinion, the make-up artists...the ones who makes the prosthetics look 'real'...are just as important, if not more so, than the head of the department.
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I think the biggest problem is that we are shoving everybody into only one credit and therefore losing any distinction between the roles.
Ideally Effects should have been given it's own category with a list of credit types like Sound. Instead everybody gets one credit, regardless of what job they actually did. 
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I would like to see categorised open credits, something like this, just choose the appropriate category and enter the role as it appears in the credits.

Tho I'm still not sure that it would stop the augments about what roles can and can't be entered
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Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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I never said I am. I'm only giving my opinion on this matter.
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