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Discussion on Credited As Field Part 2 (Locked)
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeGerri Cole
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xradman has done a nice job of putting together a plan for dealing with non-Western names. I have pinned that thread. There is no way I could summarize it here, so I thought it best to allow that one to continue.

We can also use this thread to continue the discussions on the credited as field. The program is designed so that the credited as field should always contain the exact name of the actor as they are listed in the credits of the movie/show.

The question remains, what are a good set of rules for the common name or the master name. This name will never be seen when you have a value in the credited as field. It is used as a link between the 2 credits, where the actor had a different name in the credits, but it really is the same person.

Possible Source Suggestions:
1. Use IMDB as the source.
2. Use IMDB as a guide, allowing for debates on these forums on particular actors.
3. Actor's own website
4. Screen Caps/Time Stamps

General Rules (not a source):
1. No accents
2. Double quotes for nicknames in the middle name field
3. no commas after suffixes
4. periods after all suffixes
5. Middle initial should have a period after it.
6. Comma after the surname when there is a suffix


This is what I could gleam from the earlier post. Seems like we have 2 paths, one to define just general rules and one to define a source. I think that is a good idea, to work through both.

Note display above does not indicate an endorsement of any ideas above or a dismissal of another idea. I simply tried to summarize the earlier thread. If I missed an idea of yours, my apologies, and please add it back to the discussion.

Use this thread to voice an opinion on one/any/all of the options above or add another option.

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Gerri,

The idea has been suggested by many to use iMDB as the source for common names, and then to debate other names that may need it. Is this an idea that you and/or Ken are against? It is one that, should the community decide is best, would certainly warrant approval from Invelos before being implemented.
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Gerri,

Can you please clarify for all of us if using IMDb as a source for the "Common Name" is acceptable to Invelos?

Thanks.

EDIT:  Ross beat me to it!
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thanks for the summary.

I personally like the idea of using the IMDb as a source for the reasons listed below

  • It is a huge source. I don't know for sure but I believe it is the largest Db of it's kind.

  • It is well know throughout the internet community

  • It extensively covers both Film and TV


  • Last but not least:

  • There is already a link to it in the program making it readily accessible for anyone as they use the program.


  • That's one users opinion

    No comment on the rules end of it yet from me 
    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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    My opinions:

    Possible Source Suggestions:
    1. Use IMDB as the source. Agree plus what Rick said
    2. Use IMDB as a guide, allowing for debates on these forums on particular actors. Agree
    3. Actor's own website OK as an additional source, but there aren't many of them.
    4. Screen Caps/Time Stamps Are not a source for this kind of info.

    General Rules (not a source):
    1. No accents Object
    2. Double quotes for nicknames in the middle name field OK
    3. no commas after suffixes Agree
    4. periods after all suffixes OK
    5. Middle initial should have a period after it. Agree
    6. Comma after the surname when there is a suffix Not for Jr. or Sr.
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    My opinions:

    Possible Source Suggestions:
    2. Allowing for debates on these allows for some flexibility, there are always exceptions.

    General Rules (not a source):
    I still content that this could be taken care of program wise. But since that's not gaining much traction, I'm agreeable on whatever the forum decides.
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    My opinion:

    Possible Source Suggestions:
    1. Use IMDB as the source. Totaly agree with this on
    2. Use IMDB as a guide, allowing for debates on these forums on particular actors. Yes
    3. Actor's own website Yes, but as m.cellophane said there isn't many of those
    4. Screen Caps/Time Stamps No

    General Rules (not a source):
    1. No accents I think we should use accents
    2. Double quotes for nicknames in the middle name field Yes
    3. no commas after suffixes Not sure
    4. periods after all suffixes Not sure
    5. Middle initial should have a period after it. Not sure
    6. Comma after the surname when there is a suffix My first thougth is no, but i haven't really deceided yet what my opinion is

    Sorry for that m.cellophane, but i liked the way you did it. So I did it too
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    Quoting pompel9:
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    Sorry for that m.cellophane, but i liked the way you did it. So I did it too

    It's quick and to the point that way.
    ...James

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    My opinion:

    Possible Source Suggestions:
    1. Use IMDB as the source. YES
    2. Use IMDB as a guide, allowing for debates on these forums on particular actors. MY FIRST CHOICE
    3. Actor's own website AS A BACKUP
    4. Screen Caps/Time Stamps NO

    General Rules (not a source):
    1. No accents I WOULD OPT FOR ACCENTS ON COMMON NAMES
    2. Double quotes for nicknames in the middle name field YES
    3. no commas after suffixes YES
    4. periods after all suffixes NOT SURE
    5. Middle initial should have a period after it. DEFINATE YES
    6. Comma after the surname when there is a suffix NOT IN MY OPINION


    Sorry guys, but i liked the way you both did it also 
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    Possible Source Suggestions:
    1. Use IMDB as the source. Yes.  Why reinvent the wheel?
    2. Use IMDB as a guide, allowing for debates on these forums on particular actors.  Yes
    3. Actor's own website  Only in emergencies
    4. Screen Caps/Time Stamps  No.  This just gets us back into the broken system we had in 2.4.

    General Rules (not a source):
    1. No accents I can go either way on this one.  I suppose if we're using IMDB as the source we should follow them on this too.
    2. Double quotes for nicknames in the middle name field I care not.
    3. no commas after suffixes Ummm, when would there be a comma after a suffix?  I'm lost here
    4. periods after all suffixes All abbreviated suffixes, that is
    5. Middle initial should have a period after it.  Yes, as long as it's an abbreviation (n/a to Harry S Truman)
    6. Comma after the surname when there is a suffix No.  I was raised on the other rule, but I've started adapting to the modern rule.  Don't confuse an old man by going back to the old rule.  That's just mean
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    Quoting chibul:
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    Gerri,

    The idea has been suggested by many to use iMDB as the source for common names, and then to debate other names that may need it. Is this an idea that you and/or Ken are against? It is one that, should the community decide is best, would certainly warrant approval from Invelos before being implemented.



    I'll piggyback on this one 'stead of writing it all again.  Use of ANY IMDB data is a deal breaker for me.  Their data is simply too unreliable, and more importantly they spike their data to catch unlicensed users. Why even give them an opening to exploit down the line?
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    Possible Source Suggestions:
    1. Use IMDB as the source. OK
    2. Use IMDB as a guide, allowing for debates on these forums on particular actors. Yup, my first choice
    3. Actor's own website If IMDB can't help us
    4. Screen Caps/Time Stamps No, a screenshot wouldn't help at all

    General Rules (not a source):
    1. No accents I don't want accents for the common name
    2. Double quotes for nicknames in the middle name field. I think single quotes look better but it's not important
    3. no commas after suffixes. Don't see when this would be used. But I agree, no commas
    4. periods after all suffixes I don't mind either way
    5. Middle initial should have a period after it. Absolutely.
    6. Comma after the surname when there is a suffix As long as all agree, I don't care

    And just a question for gardibolt: How are we to know if a middle initial is an abbreviation or not. I didn't know the S in Harry S Truman wasn't an abbreviation. (Sorry for my ignorant Norwegian mind). I would have put the period there.

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    I'll add in my opinions. probably about $1.50 worth .

    Possible Source Suggestions:
    1. Use IMDB as the source.

    I agree with what the others have said, it is accessable in the program to everyone. I doubt the common name they use would be spiked to find people copying their data, that is rediculous.

    2. Use IMDB as a guide, allowing for debates on these forums on particular actors.

    Agree wth this as well. It'll also be easy to make changes once all the other variants of names have been wiped form the database.


    3. Actor's own website

    Fine wtih me, but remember, most of these sites get their data from IMdb as well.

    4. Screen Caps/Time Stamps

    Not applicable to this area.


    General Rules (not a source):
    1. No accents

    I vote for no accents for one reason. It's easier to find the name when you type it in the data entry box and don't have to open up the charater map and search for all the accented characters. These will also never be seen in the cast list or crew list so it is irrelevant.


    2. Double quotes for nicknames in the middle name field

    Yes. Thats how it should be.


    3. no commas after suffixes

    Agree.


    4. periods after all suffixes

    Yes, except for roman numerals.


    5. Middle initial should have a period after it.

    Yes. That is a standard, at least when I was in school.

    6. Comma after the surname when there is a suffix

    Yes, another standard from when I was in school. I don't care if someone has changed the standards, they just got lazy.
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    Quoting Rifter:
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    I'll piggyback on this one 'stead of writing it all again.  Use of ANY IMDB data is a deal breaker for me.  Their data is simply too unreliable, and more importantly they spike their data to catch unlicensed users. Why even give them an opening to exploit down the line?


    It is my understanding that they spike their credits list to catch unlicensed users.  That won't cause us any problems because we aren't going to copy their credits.  We are talking about using the common name from each actors individual page.  If there is a question about that name, then we can discuss it. if and when it comes up.  For the most part, those names should be correct...if they aren't, IMDb wouldn't have survived this long.
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    While I could live without real accents (like é, â, õ), be aware that ç in French and ä, ö, ü in German are not accented characters. While the 7bit ASCII representation of ç would still be c, the ASCII variant of ä, ö, ü would be ae, oe, ue. I would imagine that a lot of non-German users would be confused with Mueller as normal form of Müller. And a lot of German users would not at all aggree to Muller.
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    Quoting RHo:
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    While I could live without real accents (like é, â, õ), be aware that ç in French and ä, ö, ü in German are not accented characters.


    That's also valid for the Danish and Norwegian characters æ, ø and å. These aren't accented either

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