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What this forum needs, what it has always needed, is clear and consistent moderation.  It is a business forum and should be treated as such.

I think pretty much EVERYONE agrees on that. So why don't we finally get it? 
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What this forum needs, what it has always needed, is clear and consistent moderation.  It is a business forum and should be treated as such.


To the point! It's that simple! No further tools needed!

Consequent moderation is the only possible solution. But from what I have seen so far, I don't believe that it will be put into effect.

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A really fast and good working moderation is work.
And work gets normally paid.
We got a lifetime license of the program, a Forum, an online database, screeners for our contributions, ... All for $30!
Why can't we get enough?!

Perhaps we could get a better moderation, but who would pay the moderators? Do we want advertisement on the site and pop-ups with ads and every third message in the forum also an advertisement?

Wouldn't it be better just to try to be a bit more kind and objective?! We influence with our habit if a stricter moderation is needed or if we can go with the system as it exists now.
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I would not be opposed to a banner type advertisement on the top, bottom or side of the forum if that was what it took to pay a moderator.  Heck, I'll even click on it every now and then to bump up the revenue. 
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A really fast and good working moderation is work.


It's done in a lot of other forums for free by members. Very simple, they have reduced rights, inform the admin about threads/posts with problems and the admin acts. Effective. Other forums that I (actively) use are working very well in this way and there isn't very much moderation to do anymore.

But the admin has to act. Not only talk. "Oh, please don't do that again" will not work. You actually have to ban people and you have to be strict.

Over all, there will be less work, because after a short period there will be much less trouble and less moderation to do.

And no, not because there are no members there anymore but because there are less troublemakers. And I think the count of active members will rise, because IMHO it's much more fun to participate within a friendly community.

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Wouldn't it be better just to try to be a bit more kind and objective?! We influence with our habit if a stricter moderation is needed or if we can go with the system as it exists now.


No, in fact it is not working. The situation here is known for a long time and nothing has changed yet.

The main reason why I don't post.

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A really fast and good working moderation is work.
And work gets normally paid.
We got a lifetime license of the program, a Forum, an online database, screeners for our contributions, ... All for $30!
Why can't we get enough?!

Perhaps we could get a better moderation, but who would pay the moderators? Do we want advertisement on the site and pop-ups with ads and every third message in the forum also an advertisement?

Wouldn't it be better just to try to be a bit more kind and objective?! We influence with our habit if a stricter moderation is needed or if we can go with the system as it exists now.


I don't agree with much of this. You don't have to pay someone to moderate, you can get volunteers, and good ones at that.

There is no need to pay a moderator, and I don't recollect ever being on a board where a moderator is a paid position.

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We got a lifetime license of the program, a Forum, an online database, screeners for our contributions, ... All for $30!
Why can't we get enough?!


I also contend that many people give as much as they get. The database is an absolute perfect example of this. If it weren't for the people who contributed, the database would not even be close to the sheer size it is now.

Not to mention the plugins people have created (for free), or the help people offer (for free), etc.

And these things help Ken get more sales. There are no doubt that people have given back to Ken more then $30 in their time in helping build a better product, I think it's fair to say that many of those people are posters (or at least lurkers wanting to post) on this board.

I understand the argument "we get all of this for $30...", I just don't agree with it. Yes, it's a great deal, especially since you don't have to pay for update, but at the same time, it's not like many of us aren't giving back to the program in some way or another and it's saddening that as much as the members of this forum do for Ken, he chooses to ignore this thread.

You (general you) can spin it however you want, but Ken really should make a statement.

I have read throughout this thread that Ken shouldn't have to deal with us because we are acting like children. Acting like children or not, we are Ken's customers. To some slight degree, it could be argued we are also his volunteer workforce. And to not even acknowledge the problem, instead making a statement that, at this point, is not very believable, is pathetic.

Do I want moderation on this board? Desperately.

Would I live if there wasn't any? Absolutely.

It would just be nice to have a straight answer one way or another and follow through on that answer. Right now what's happening is spin, and a lot of people see right through it because of the lack of action.
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Free moderators?

Can just be persons that don't treat in any kind with other users. Otherwise decisions would be personally influenced too much.
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Free moderators?

Can just be persons that don't treat in any kind with other users. Otherwise decisions would be personally influenced too much.


Even if moderators were paid, personal influence comes into play. I truly don't believe there is a person out there that their personal opinions aren't part of a decision.

That said, there are some quite a few people on this board that I would heavily support being moderators.

I would speculate there are very few forums that actually pay their moderators.
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Free moderators?

Can just be persons that don't treat in any kind with other users. Otherwise decisions would be personally influenced too much.


Please read carefully. Reduced rights for those, action is taken by the "real" admins.

There are many possible way's. Add a button "report message to admin" to every message.

The main thing doesn't change: actions have to be taken, and I don't see this happen.

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Free moderators?

Can just be persons that don't treat in any kind with other users. Otherwise decisions would be personally influenced too much.


I'm a member of several boards where the moderators are members.  They don't even hide behind a moderator title.  They're regular users with moderator power.  They were selected based on their past history.  I'm sure they're monitored by the owners, other moderators and the users themselves to ensure they're not behaving inappropriately (in a feedback forum where the users are allowed to question the actions of the moderators).  And they actively take part in conversations as a member regardless of their moderator status.

Such a system is not only possible, I could name multiple examples (DVDTalk, Home Theater Forum, I believe AVSForum) where this is happening today.

Something like that would work just fine here.  There might be a small adjustment period since there's so much bad blood around here, but it would ultimately work itself out.  You just have to pick the right people.  And everyone else needs to hold those people accountable to do their job properly.  The moderators just need to have clear guidelines on how they should treat various situations and then do so consistently and without favoritism.

As strange as it may sound, many forums do use volunteer moderators and for the most part, they do a fantastic job and make the site successful and a great place to visit.
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Free moderators?

Can just be persons that don't treat in any kind with other users. Otherwise decisions would be personally influenced too much.


I'm a member of several boards where the moderators are members.  They don't even hide behind a moderator title.  They're regular users with moderator power.  They were selected based on their past history.  I'm sure they're monitored by the owners, other moderators and the users themselves to ensure they're not behaving inappropriately (in a feedback forum where the users are allowed to question the actions of the moderators).  And they actively take part in conversations as a member regardless of their moderator status.

Such a system is not only possible, I could name multiple examples (DVDTalk, Home Theater Forum, I believe AVSForum) where this is happening today.

Something like that would work just fine here.  There might be a small adjustment period since there's so much bad blood around here, but it would ultimately work itself out.  You just have to pick the right people.  And everyone else needs to hold those people accountable to do their job properly.  The moderators just need to have clear guidelines on how they should treat various situations and then do so consistently and without favoritism.

As strange as it may sound, many forums do use volunteer moderators and for the most part, they do a fantastic job and make the site successful and a great place to visit.


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Quoting meyerd:
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A really fast and good working moderation is work.


It's done in a lot of other forums for free by members. Very simple, they have reduced rights, inform the admin about threads/posts with problems and the admin acts. Effective. Other forums that I (actively) use are working very well in this way and there isn't very much moderation to do anymore.

I am not sure what other forums you use, but this can be a little tricky for a business site...at least here in the states.  Many years ago, it was quite common to use community volunteers as moderators.  I was one for GeoCities.  In 1999, two community volunteers filed a class action lawsuit against AOL.  Yahoo, who had purchased GeoCities, wasted no time in telling us that our services were no longer required.  While it is probably still possible, no company forum I have used since, uses volunteers.  Private forums, yes.  Company forums, like this one, no.
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There are many possible way's. Add a button "report message to admin" to every message.

We have this already, it's the little red icon in the upper right corner of every posting

So in theory we have as much "moderators" as we have users on this forum

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The main thing doesn't change: actions have to be taken, and I don't see this happen.

Agreed
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Hey Gerri, I think you need to nudge the moderators, I think they may be asleep at the switch, there's a whole lot of nastiness going on in the Contribution forum.
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Hey Gerri, I think you need to nudge the moderators, I think they may be asleep at the switch, there's a whole lot of nastiness going on in the Contribution forum.


Do we really want to start another arena for this warfare?!  *


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Just trying to get someone to pay attention to what's going on over there.
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