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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,318 |
| | Posted: | | | | And I personally believe the first thing you said also applies to the contribution forum now... Quote:
...the traffic is to high for a single forum... As is evident by how much we have to go to page 2 or 3 to find the topics we want. So much is happening there now it is not that easy to keep track of all the threads some of us may want to. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
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or if the subject thematic of the forum is split in such a way that some readers of one forum would not read the other one.
Which is exactly the case here. I don't think so. I see hardly anyone reading the "name research" forum who would not read the "contribution" forum for obvious reasons. And if all aspects of contributing credited names would be discussed in the "name research", I can't see many people who would mostly ignore this forum as well. Maybe some of the rare contributors which completely abstain from contributing credits at all. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
And I personally believe the first thing you said also applies to the contribution forum now...
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...the traffic is to high for a single forum...
As is evident by how much we have to go to page 2 or 3 to find the topics we want. So much is happening there now it is not that easy to keep track of all the threads some of us may want to. There are two reason why we have to go to page 2. First, we have to many pinned topics. And second a page is to short. But traffic is not very high IMO. And would it really be easier to go from page 1 of forum 1 to page 1 of forum 2 than to go from page 1 to page 2? EDIT: BTW the first topic on page 3 of the contribution forum has not been updated for 5 days. 10 pinned topics and 30 active topics (updated in 5 days) on page 1 and 2 can hardly be considered high traffic. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,318 |
| | Posted: | | | | I definitely believe the contribution forum is the busiest one on these forums. I know by coming here throughout the day it is the one that has the most new posts each visit/day. While I agree that the forums are too short and that there is too many pinned threads ... I also whole heartedly believe thatit would be a good thing to split the forum so there is a cast/crew sub forum... it would make it so much easier for some of us to find things with ease the way we want to. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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EDIT: Maybe the forum should be named Cast/Crew Linking Research.
I guess that would still include parsing.
No, the CLT does ignore parsing and local updates do not change existing parsing similar to local case changes. I was thinking the same thing...the new forum should be for things that affect the CLT. Since parsing doesn't, it can be discussed in the normal contribution forum. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I was thinking the same thing...the new forum should be for things that affect the CLT. No birth years either, then, I suppose? No, like others have stated, I'd like to see all name-related matters grouped together. If that isn't the outcome, then I'd prefer to keep things the way they are. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree. What does and does not affect the CLT is beyond the average DVDP user anyway - that sort of subtle distinction is for us hardcore users only, I'm afraid. |
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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I was thinking the same thing...the new forum should be for things that affect the CLT.
No birth years either, then, I suppose? No, like others have stated, I'd like to see all name-related matters grouped together. If that isn't the outcome, then I'd prefer to keep things the way they are. Agreed. I don't know, to me, it only makes sense to keep them in a logical grouping. Common name, Birth Years and Parsing issues take up a large chunk of the contribution forum as it is now. If a subforum was created, and those threads moved there, all important issues regarding cast and crew are found in one nice, neat little package. You hop into that forum knowing that when you go into it, you'll find information on common names, birth years and parsing issues. They'd each have a nice sticky thread for them, making them all highly accessible and easy to find for any member, and the contribution forum would stay as it is now, minus these topics. This would again, make all these topics highly accessible for anyone seeking this information, and it would completely de-clutter the contribution forum. Sticky topics would be eliminated from that forum, allowing for more topics to show on the first page etc. Splitting these issues up so one would have to go into a forum to find info on common names, and then a different forum to find info on parsing or birth years doesn't seem like the most effective way to me. THAT to me, causes more confusion than it solves. Now we have different forums to discuss similar topics simply because some don't have interest in linking and want to skip out on those discussions? Is two clicks of a mouse to find out how Helena Bonham Carter is parsed really that inconvenient? Not to mention, if those discussions were moved to a new subforum, we could create a sticky thread for them (without taking up MORE room in the contribution forum) where they could all easily be accessed, something that's missing now in the contribution forum. A cast and crew subforum is a great idea. The main issues, all in one place, all easily accesible, leaving discussions for actual contribution issues and questions all in one place. Seems like the best of both worlds to me. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't have a problem with that. Parsing issues, at least in the forum, are fairly rare so not a real issue...at least not for me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I don't have a problem with that. Parsing issues, at least in the forum, are fairly rare so not a real issue...at least not for me. That's exactly the issue I do have. The new forum would be highly uninteresting for me except for parsing threads and similar. I would probably not check this forum regularly the same way I mostly ignore the technical support forum and general forum (among others). But then on a rare basis a parsing thread would show up which I would miss. IMO it's easier to pick the interesting threads in one big busy forum, than to search them in several low traffic forums which would only rarely show anything interesting. |
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
IMO it's easier to pick the interesting threads in one big busy forum, than to search them in several low traffic forums which would only rarely show anything interesting. One POSSIBLE low traffic forum. Would only rarely show anything interesting, to you. Big differences. IMO it's easier to have all the logically grouped threads together in one forum. Cast and crew in one, contribution discussions and questions in another. Who's right? Who's wrong? | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,318 |
| | Posted: | | | | Have to agree with Merrik on that. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
IMO it's easier to pick the interesting threads in one big busy forum, than to search them in several low traffic forums which would only rarely show anything interesting. And this quote actually just shows why people want this subforum. It's NOT as easy to pick threads from one big busy forum. It's actually much more difficult. Searching through pages upon pages of the contribution forum to find a specific common name thread that's been pushed back to page 10 (I had to find one pushed back to page 22 at one point) is a pain in the butt. Not to mention all the common name threads pushing back regular contribution forum discussions, making it harder to find those as well. To find a thread I started on the parsing of Jonathan Rhys Meyers, one has to search right now, to page 17 of the contribution discussions forums (and with the sucky linking this forum has, that means one has to go outside the forum, to google, search there and then hope it shows in the results). In a subforum built to deal with these issues, we'd have a sticky on the first page where it would link directly to the discussion, nicely alphabatized. Seems much simpler to me. Even if we didn't have a sticky, I can guarantee you, that thread wouldn't be on page 17 by this time. And even if this forum turns out to be low traffic (big if in there), who's to say that wouldn't work to it's advantage? How much easier then would it be to find the specific topic you're looking for? Sorry, but I don't feel that "linking doesn't interest me, so push it to the side, but let's keep related topics that make sense to group it with in a different forum because I want them there" is a good enough reason to split up these logical groupings. That thought is VERY individual specific and doesn't seem like it would benefit the community as a whole. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
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| Blair | | Resistance is Futile! |
| Registered: October 30, 2008 | | Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why don't we just do the opposite: take everything except for the General Discussion forum (since it's not Profiler related) and the Announcements forum (since those topics really should stand out) and just lump all of the rest of the forums together into one giant one. Then it would make it more obvious where to find needed topics and more interesting to read  Forum groupings are for ease and convenience, not to make sure that everything stays "interesting." In my opinion, this new forum would add convenience. | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | | Last edited: by Blair |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
(...) Searching through pages upon pages of the contribution forum to find a specific common name thread that's been pushed back to page 10 (I had to find one pushed back to page 22 at one point) is a pain in the butt. (...) I do agree for common names threads and the two birth year threads. Those are more reference and documentation threads than discussion. It is in their nature that you will likely have to search them in the future for further reference. For those a separate forum is highly welcome. One thread per person and it would be even better if those threads could be sorted by name which unfortunately is beyond the scope of a forum. Maybe a wiki would be even more practical to store those kind of information for future reference. A better search function would also be in advantage to find old references. |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Is it bad to bump this thread with this.  |
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