Quick check: for which checkbox(es) does a "Picture-in-Picture Video Commentary" qualify? Do we tick "Picture-in-Picture", "Commentary" or both? For reference, here's a direct link to the rules on features. The rules tell us that "Audio Commentary" and "Text Commentary" qualify for "Commentary", but nothing about "Video Commentary". At the same time, they say that any PiP-content qualifies for "Picture-in-Picture".

It may be of interest to note that in the particular Blu-ray I'm currently looking at, there's no "Audio Commmentary" track listed in the "Audio" section, because it's not a regular audio track, but a picture-in-picture feature with a "DTS Express" track.

Personally I think the only time  "Audio Commentary" should be selected along with "PiP" is if the commentary still plays on players that do not support PiP (which I have seen)

Most PiP features are in fact PiP commentaries anyway.  Not all, but most from what I have seen.

But in my opinion we should not be selecting 'Audio Commentary" unless the disc has an audio only commentary.

I'd be in favor of checking both PIP and commentary if it is indeed a video commentary. By commentary, I mean people talking about the movie usually while watching it on playback - not the sort of Maximum Movie Mode guided tours, behind the scenes footage, etc. I care more about the commentary portion than the video. Just checking PIP doesn't specify whether it's on set footage (as PIP usually is) or people actually commenting on what's happening on screen. But it technically is PIP so it makes sense to check it as well.

You have me confused here:

In how far is a "Commentary" not a "Commentary" anymore as soon as a video is involved?

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And is in this regard not every "Commentary" that you have to watch the Feature for, if you want to hear it, a "Video Commentary"?

OK,
just took a look at "The Rule".

Makes no sense, but strictly to the rules a Video Commentary is no Commentary.

I switch over to Rules Request now.

Following this logic a movie would then be a video-supported radioplay?

Quoting Alien Redrum:

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"Tick "Commentary" and "Picture-in-Picture" only" gets my vote.

I agree.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Quoting Alien Redrum:

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"Tick "Commentary" and "Picture-in-Picture" only" gets my vote.

How is that supported by the rules?  I mean, I understand the desire, just curious how it is covered by the rules.

Currently it's not

In my mind ticking both undermines the usefulness of the data. 

Fundamentally requiring  two selections for the same feature makes them appear separated when they are not.

Since most PiP commentaries require certain level of blu-ray players it could make one think that a commentary was available that was not.  THinking there was an audio commentary and just PiP a PiP special feature.

I think the best way to deal with this is via a "PiP Commentary" checkbox being added.  I don't see an issue with this since from my observation most PiP features are commentaries.