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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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Which is correct per capitalization rules: With or with?

For example:

Alone with her? or Alone With Her?

Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs or Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs?

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Capitalization rules for titles don't all agree. The Chicago Manual of Style and MLA state not to capitalize prepositions (such as "with") while the APA states to capitalize everything with four or more letters.

You can always use this tool: Title Capitalization Tool
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I never been able to get this stuff straight in my head... but I don't think I would capitalize it.
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Most accepted rule for capitalization of titles

Capitalize the first and last word in a title, regardless of part of speech

Capitalize all nouns (baby, country, picture), pronouns (you, she, it), verbs (walk, think, dream), adjectives (sweet, large, perfect), adverbs (immediately, quietly), and subordinating conjunctions (as, because, although)

Lowercase “to” as part of an infinitive

Lowercase all articles (a, the), prepositions (to, at, in, with), and coordinating conjunctions (and, but, or)

Some styles will argue about prepositions...

  Some say capitalize prepositions if they are 4 or more characters.  Some say five or more characters..

I typically fall under the rule of "Do not capitalize prepositions"
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So in other words when it comes to the word "with"... there is always a chance of getting no votes no matter how you decide to contribute it. Lovely. 
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unless, a standard is set within invelos, this is the way it will be.
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I went with "The "w" should not be capitalized."  It just doesn't look right the other way...
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I wonder if this is covererd by the rules

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For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title.


In this rule, he calls them joining words. "the" and "a" are articles, "in" and "of" are prepositions.

Maybe, the rules idea of "joining words" are "articles" and "prepositions".
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Maybe... hmmm. 
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use the titel as required by the publisher.

in this case use "Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs" as written on sony pictures website. click

in my opinion.


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use the titel as required by the publisher.

in this case use "Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs" as written on sony pictures website. click

in my opinion.



Even that does not even closely match the cover, is against the rules, and is a totally improper capitalization.

The cover actually reads

Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs.

We know from "Standard capitalization rules"

First and last word is capitalized. 
Chance, used as a noun is capitalized.
Per the rules at invelos, "a" (article) and "of" (preposition) are not capitalized

So, the only word left in question is "with" (preposition).  According to the poll, not much question there either.


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We know from "Standard capitalization rules"

First and last word is capitalized. 
Chance, used as a noun is capitalized.
Per the rules at invelos, "a" (article) and "of" (preposition) are not capitalized

So, the only word left in question is "with" (preposition).  According to the poll, not much question there either.


then are all of this profiles false?



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Quoting emmeli:
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Quoting CharlieM:
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We know from "Standard capitalization rules"

First and last word is capitalized. 
Chance, used as a noun is capitalized.
Per the rules at invelos, "a" (article) and "of" (preposition) are not capitalized

So, the only word left in question is "with" (preposition).  According to the poll, not much question there either.


then are all of this profiles false?





All but three of those follow "Standard Capitalization".  The ones with a lowercase "c" in the word chance are wrong.....
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Quoting CharlieM:
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I wonder if this is covererd by the rules

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For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title.


In this rule, he calls them joining words. "the" and "a" are articles, "in" and "of" are prepositions.

Maybe, the rules idea of "joining words" are "articles" and "prepositions".

The problem here, and I have mentioned it before, is that the rule is badly written.  There is a proper term for 'joining words', and that term is conjunction.  If they had left it at that, the rule would be fine as there is a finite list of conjunctions.  The problem is created by the examples because none of the examples are joining word.
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I wonder if this is covererd by the rules

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For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title.


In this rule, he calls them joining words. "the" and "a" are articles, "in" and "of" are prepositions.

Maybe, the rules idea of "joining words" are "articles" and "prepositions".

The problem here, and I have mentioned it before, is that the rule is badly written.  There is a proper term for 'joining words', and that term is conjunction.  If they had left it at that, the rule would be fine as there is a finite list of conjunctions.  The problem is created by the examples because none of the examples are joining word.


While I agree that the rule is improperly written, changing joining to conjunction would also be improper.

Conjunction is a classification for a whole subject in grammar, but I will assume that you are only talking about Coordinating Conjunctions, which there are only 6 (for, and, nor, but, or, yet, so).

If it were written to only not capitalize these 6 words, it would still be improper capitalization rules.
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The vast majority of my profiles use the lowercase "w" and this is the way I contribute that data.

I can't remember ever receiving a "no" vote or having a contribution declined in doing so...until recently.

I changed "Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs" > "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs?" and received a single "no" vote.

This got me thinking...not necessarily a good thing! 

I'm a bit obsessive and prefer to have all the same data match but I didn't want to be contributing bad data. I wasn't sure which was correct and now it seems both are! 

Since the Chicago Manual of Style and MLA agree "with" is acceptable and the majority of those who answered this poll agree, I will continue to contribute this data as "with".

Thank you for your input.
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