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Box Set Question: Do we include or not the Video data in the main parent profile?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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I know the Box Set rules state to not include Subtitles, Audio & Disc Features in the main box set profile.

However I can't find anything regarding if the Video Data (Widescreen/Full Screen, Aspect Ratio, 2D or 3D, Color format or for 4K the Dynamic Range.

So, do we include those or for those profiles that include them, should they be deleted?
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I can't speak for the rest but I remember Ken made sure we had check boxes to check multiple for the box set parent. The way I see it. If the rule don't say to remove it then I don't.
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I wouldn't add them for a new parent profile, but I wouldn't delete them from an existing one.
Edit: That said, I'm not going to vote No when someone deletes them. I find them useless in a parent profile. I just wouldn't contribute deletions myself. Does that sound inconsistent? Maybe ...
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I can't speak for the rest but I remember Ken made sure we had check boxes to check multiple for the box set parent. The way I see it. If the rule don't say to remove it then I don't.


While true, we don't include Audio in a Box Set parent profile, so why would video be any different?

The audio doesn't belong because the Box Set profile is just a case/box.
So by that reasoning, neither does video.

Both audio and video represents the films contained in the Box Set, not the Box itself, right?
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The audio doesn't belong because the Box Set profile is just a case/box.
So by that reasoning, neither does video.

This is the clincher for me as well. The rules state not to include audio data, and any line of reasoning that excludes the audio data, equally applies to the video data, so I've always left that out as well. A box set parent profile doesn't actually profile any video content - it's merely a profile for an empty container. That empty container doesn't have any video data, just like it doesn't have any audio data, cast, crew or even Disc ID's. So yeah, I consistently leave it out.
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The audio doesn't belong because the Box Set profile is just a case/box.
So by that reasoning, neither does video.

This is the clincher for me as well. The rules state not to include audio data, and any line of reasoning that excludes the audio data, equally applies to the video data, so I've always left that out as well. A box set parent profile doesn't actually profile any video content - it's merely a profile for an empty container. That empty container doesn't have any video data, just like it doesn't have any audio data, cast, crew or even Disc ID's. So yeah, I consistently leave it out.


That's what I don't understand.
Subtitles, audio, features, disc info, credits are all film/disc based data.

So too is video data.
The case doesn't have any video, it's the films that do, which are profiled in the child profiles of the box set.

It doesn't make any sense at all to include video data for a box/case.
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all these removing color is strictly against the publisshed rules.

From rules...
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Multiple —  Contains multiple programs which differ in their coloring methods (such as box sets or multi-film discs with a Colorized and Black & White version included).


In process of voting no to every one I see. .. As well as vote no to anything being removed that the rules don't say it has to be removed.
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Not to mention there is a lot of things per riules we leave on box sets that don't apply to just a container...

Just a container doesn't have genre.... doesn't have a run time... doesn't have studios
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all these removing color is strictly against the publisshed rules.

From rules...
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Multiple —  Contains multiple programs which differ in their coloring methods (such as box sets or multi-film discs with a Colorized and Black & White version included).


In process of voting no to every one I see. .. As well as vote no to anything being removed that the rules don't say it has to be removed.


All well and good except that comes from the DVD Specification rules.
A box isn't a DVD.

And I agree that the box shouldn't have Genres or Studios, as far as Studios go it should only have the Media Company.

As far as the running time, that's included in the Box Set rules. Why? I have no idea. For me that too doesn't really belong either.

I will leave up what I contributed and let it fly. If some get approved, fine. It some don't, fine.

To me it's logical that a box doesn't have any Video in it.

As far as the rules, well they haven't been updated since 2016. And between that date and today we've had the program updated. And yet many of the new features in the updated program aren't in the rules either, so one could argue that if it's not in the rules than any changes made to reflect the updated program is in itself forbidden.
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The reason box-sets have video info, you can't submit a new profile without supplying a video format.

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The reason box-sets have video info, you can't submit a new profile without supplying a video format.




True, but one can remove/change them later.
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I would say please withdraw these contributions. They don't make sense. And obviously there isn't a consensus, even.

I definitely think that any data that is true and relevant for all profiles in a box should be submitted.
It's not so simple as the box only being there to have a set of movies.
For example, why do you think these sets are released in the first place? As much info on them as possible, if you ask me!
There are tons of box sets and even for the same movies at times.
A movie box set is not just made out of a housing in cardboard.
All that said, there are definitely more ways than just one to reason about this and I would hate this change to take place.
It sounds more to me like a subjective opinion than facts, to remove all data. And not all data, even, is removed anyway.
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I had always thought that the data that was the same for each of the films was valid to leave in the parent profile. Example: 3 movies -

All 3 in Color - valid to leave in parent profile
All 3 Widescreen - valid to leave in parent profile (leave ratio unchecked, however, if different among the 3)
All 3 Comedy - valid to leave in parent profile
All 2D - valid to leave in parent profile
My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
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The reason box-sets have video info, you can't submit a new profile without supplying a video format.

Sure you can! But only when that box set has child profiles - if it doesn't, then DVD Profiler doesn't know it's a box set, and it won't allow you to submit it as a bare-bones profile. But if the parent *does* have child profiles, then DVD Profiler *does* allow you to submit the parent bare-bones as it should be, without video info.

That in itself tells us how Invelos sees this. If it's not a box set, evidenced by no child profiles being attached, then video information is required. But if it's a box set, evidenced by the presence of child profiles, then that requirement is dropped immediately, and then you can submit the profile without video information. That's the answer to this whole question right there.
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The reason box-sets have video info, you can't submit a new profile without supplying a video format.

Sure you can! But only when that box set has child profiles - if it doesn't, then DVD Profiler doesn't know it's a box set, and it won't allow you to submit it as a bare-bones profile. But if the parent *does* have child profiles, then DVD Profiler *does* allow you to submit the parent bare-bones as it should be, without video info.

That in itself tells us how Invelos sees this. If it's not a box set, evidenced by no child profiles being attached, then video information is required. But if it's a box set, evidenced by the presence of child profiles, then that requirement is dropped immediately, and then you can submit the profile without video information. That's the answer to this whole question right there.



Didn't know that or never noticed that.

As you pointed out if Invelos allows a box set with child profiles attached without video data included in the parent then it's obvious that they(Invelos) doesn't require that video data to be included. Because if it was required you would get a pop up stating that you have to include video data before you even submit it.
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They don't make sense. And obviously there isn't a consensus, even.



It doesn't make sense to you.

We hardly ever get a consensus.
Some agree with something, some don't.

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I definitely think that any data that is true and relevant for all profiles in a box should be submitted.


So if all films include audio commentary then that too should be included in the box profile?

As has been pointed out, why is audio data forbidden from the main box profile, but video is?
That doesn't make any sense at all.
Film requires both, thus if video is required then by that logic so should audio in the box profile.
But that's not what we are doing, we are banning one but allowing another. Why?

Perhaps when Ken was updating the rules 3 long years ago he didn't think contradiction through.
And that's exactly what we have here, a contradiction.
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