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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ajm: Quote:
that's because the tv expands to fill the space. My parents have their w/s tv setup that way. I prefer the black bars at the sides if it is 4:3. I start to twitch when someone doesn't have the aspect ratio set correctly on their TV.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 525 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
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that's because the tv expands to fill the space. My parents have their w/s tv setup that way. I prefer the black bars at the sides if it is 4:3.
I start to twitch when someone doesn't have the aspect ratio set correctly on their TV. I know the feeling. I usually end up 'fixing it'. Usually results in an email/phone call from my Mum asking what I've done to the tv. | | | 
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would respond "Get used to it!"  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ajm: Quote:
I know the feeling. I usually end up 'fixing it'. Usually results in an email/phone call from my Mum asking what I've done to the tv. Ever get the one where they ask you what THEY did?!? "Hey Rick... What'd I do?" "I don't know Dad... What did you do"   (get one about once a month  ) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 793 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Ever get the one where they ask you what THEY did?!?
"Hey Rick... What'd I do?" Oh yeah, I get that all the time! Mostly about computers though |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreen forever: Quote:
I've seen 4:3.1 movies on a 16 x 9 TV with no black bars on side ( or top of course).. It just fills the screen to a natural looking widescreen .. The same image been shown on a regular TV is just 4:3., and it looks normal as well..
So wouldn't a film like Casablanca fill the entire screen on an HD set,, even if the film was HD-DVD? No. 4x3 is narrower than 16x9. If you keep the top and bottom lined up, the only way to fill the screen is to stretch it sideways. That makes everything look squashed and flattened. If you stretch the sides and keep the aspect the same, the top and bottom get cut off. When I play a P&S or FF movie on my 16x9, there are two black vertical bars on the left and right edges of the screen. I can force it to fill the screen side to side, but then I lose the bottom area where closed captions are displayed, and the top edge is lost by the same amount. | | | John
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,435 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RossRoy: Quote:
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Ever get the one where they ask you what THEY did?!?
"Hey Rick... What'd I do?"
Oh yeah, I get that all the time! Mostly about computers though Weird. When I get phone calls about computers (my dad, or maybe a colleague), telling me that the system is not working properly, I ask: What did you do? The common answer is: "I didn't do anything"... Then it's usually a cat and mouse game to find out what they did, so that I can fix it. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 585 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreen forever: Quote:
I've seen 4:3.1 movies on a 16 x 9 TV with no black bars on side ( or top of course).. It just fills the screen to a natural looking widescreen .. The same image been shown on a regular TV is just 4:3., and it looks normal as well.. Most modern widescreen TV's feature "Smart Stretching". They can take a 4:3 image and stretch it to fill the whole screen and you'll barely notice unless you look real carefully. It uses some kind of algorithm so that stuff msotly in the center isn't stretched too much and as you get closer to the edge of the screen it stretches it a bit more and works it's way to the edges. So the image fills the whole screen but only things on the far left and far right might have a somewhat stretched look. I think it looks pretty good for 4:3 pictures, but obviously doesn't come close to the quality of true 16:9 or HD pictures. Since I mainly have my TV in HD mode (which doesn't allow any stretching) I tend to watch 4:3 programming with the bars on the left and right side. It doesn't bother me but it drives my wife crazy. Oh well. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vega: Quote:
Most modern widescreen TV's feature "Smart Stretching". They can take a 4:3 image and stretch it to fill the whole screen and you'll barely notice unless you look real carefully.
Hmm, I guess we all have different trechholds for what we will accept. The only time I won't notice is when my eyes are closed. | | | Regards
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 452 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
I don't have any HD discs yet, but would Casablanca count as "fullscreen" on HD DVD? Seems odd in that case if the native frame is 16:9... Casablanca is of course pillarboxed 1.37:1 on the HDDVD. And of course fullscreen on HDDVD means 1.78:1, since it's the native format. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,192 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Peter von Frosta: Quote:
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I don't have any HD discs yet, but would Casablanca count as "fullscreen" on HD DVD? Seems odd in that case if the native frame is 16:9...
Casablanca is of course pillarboxed 1.37:1 on the HDDVD. And of course fullscreen on HDDVD means 1.78:1, since it's the native format. So if I would enter it in DVD Profiler, neither fullscreen nor widescreen should be checked? (BTW; is that even possible?) | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
HD DVDs can't be anything other than anamorphic. Since they're anamorphic by definition, there's no reason to enable that button and allow people to enter it incorrectly. No, HD is by definition not anamorphic. Anamorphic is not about aspect ratios. In cinema anamorphic means that non spherical lenses have to be used to project the film. Translated to digital media this means that the pixels are not square. HD has square pixels, therefore not anamorphic. P.S. I know that the pixels of non-anamorphic DVDs are also not exactly square. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ruineddaydreams: Quote:
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In fact they are not anamorphic widescreen (the pictures is not "streched"), they are in real widescreen ratio.
not to be confused with letterbox widescreen... which would be a widescreen picture with black bars encoding directly into it... disgusting... Every film with an aspect ratio wider than 1.78: 1 has to be letterboxed on DVD and HD. What is disgusting about that? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mikl: Quote:
So with HD we can now talk about vertical letterboxing for 4:3 titles and anamorphic 1.33:1 Which would be called pillar boxing. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vega: Quote:
Most modern widescreen TV's feature "Smart Stretching". They can take a 4:3 image and stretch it to fill the whole screen and you'll barely notice unless you look real carefully. It uses some kind of algorithm so that stuff msotly in the center isn't stretched too much and as you get closer to the edge of the screen it stretches it a bit more and works it's way to the edges. So the image fills the whole screen but only things on the far left and far right might have a somewhat stretched look. This technique is even worse than linear stretching IMO. It has nasty effects on all those pan shots and make me almost sea sick. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 235 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Peter von Frosta: Quote:
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I don't have any HD discs yet, but would Casablanca count as "fullscreen" on HD DVD? Seems odd in that case if the native frame is 16:9...
Casablanca is of course pillarboxed 1.37:1 on the HDDVD. And of course fullscreen on HDDVD means 1.78:1, since it's the native format. So they haven't used the full resolution on the Casablanca HD discs? Are the black bars on each side encoded into the image? That's not optimal if you ask me. /Mikkel | | | | DVD Profiler på Dansk |
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