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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Moderation is a learning experience.  We're looking into bringing on a new support tech that can take over moderation regularly.
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The moderators can't assess intent, they can only do their best to determine whether a post is on topic and whether it stands a chance to perpetuate an ongoing conflict.  In this case they felt it did stand that chance, and took action to stop the conflict.

Please don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to criticize you or the moderators.  If that is how it came across, I apologize.  The point I was trying to make, and something you eluded to, is that there is a huge learning curve involved.  All the places that I was a mod for, had an established moderation policy and staff.  I can't imagine how hard it would have been if I had started from scratch...as you are doing here.

Again, if my statement came across as an attack on you or the mods, that was not my intent and I do apologize. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
Who is John Galt?
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Moderation is a learning experience.  We're looking into bringing on a new support tech that can take over moderation regularly.

However, let's keep perspective.  A total of 16 posts have been edited by the moderators this entire week.  They're doing their best to stop conflict before it gets out of hand.  In this case they edited a couple of posts that other users had called to their attention then edited the final post (which they felt was continuing the conflict), with a message to get back on topic.

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Quoting Dr Pavlov: 
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They don't realize that I know who they are.
    I find this to be a fascinating statement.  Care to explain how you know who they are.

The moderators can't assess intent, they can only do their best to determine whether a post is on topic and whether it stands a chance to perpetuate an ongoing conflict.  In this case they felt it did stand that chance, and took action to stop the conflict.


It was a simple question out of curiosity.  I fail to see the conflict to which you refer.
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Ken.....

This is exactly what I mean by excessive moderation.

I asked a simple question, based on a statement made by Skip earleir in this thread that I found to be very interesting and wanted clarification on.....

And the Forum Moderator comes along and removes it........

Why?????????

This is precisely what will drive me away!!!!!!!

And this post is directly ON POINT for the subject of this thread....are you going to remove it also???????     


And to add insult to injury, someone throws a red zinger on this post! 
Hal
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Ken.....

This is exactly what I mean by excessive moderation.

I asked a simple question, based on a statement made by Skip earleir in this thread that I found to be very interesting and wanted clarification on.....

And the Forum Moderator comes along and removes it........

Why?????????

This is precisely what will drive me away!!!!!!!

And this post is directly ON POINT for the subject of this thread....are you going to remove it also???????     


And to add insult to injury, someone throws a red zinger on this post! 


I don't understand why anyone would give you a red arrow for this statement.

Although, having said that, I got one for an equally benign post earlier in this thread.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Ken.....

This is exactly what I mean by excessive moderation.

I asked a simple question, based on a statement made by Skip earleir in this thread that I found to be very interesting and wanted clarification on.....

And the Forum Moderator comes along and removes it........

Why?????????

This is precisely what will drive me away!!!!!!!

And this post is directly ON POINT for the subject of this thread....are you going to remove it also???????     


And to add insult to injury, someone throws a red zinger on this post! 


And that, Hal is the heart of censorship. Whoever did it did so not because it violated any Froum Rule or attacked someone, it did neither, they did so merely because they did not like it and to me that is abuse of the system and should not be allowed.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here

Billy Video
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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Registered: March 10, 2007
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To reiterate, negative feedback no longer has an effect on reputation score.  For that reason, I have removed the display of negative feedback.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
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Great, I guess this means it will be "easier" to improve my rating.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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To reiterate, negative feedback no longer has an effect on reputation score.  For that reason, I have removed the display of negative feedback.

Just need to get rid of the column on the reputation results page and all trace of it will be gone.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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It was a simple question out of curiosity.  I fail to see the conflict to which you refer.

As I said, and I mean no disrespect to the moderators, that was due to lack of experience.  What should have happened, at least in my opinion, is the mod should have answered your question with something along the lines of, "Reputation feedback is anonymous.  While they may suspect, there is no way any user can know who gave them feedback.  Please return to the topic at hand."

This is a new system and mistakes will happen.  As long as we all learn from those mistakes, things should get better.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
Who is John Galt?
Registered: March 13, 2007
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It was a simple question out of curiosity.  I fail to see the conflict to which you refer.

As I said, and I mean no disrespect to the moderators, that was due to lack of experience.  What should have happened, at least in my opinion, is the mod should have answered your question with something along the lines of, "Reputation feedback is anonymous.  While they may suspect, there is no way any user can know who gave them feedback.  Please return to the topic at hand."

This is a new system and mistakes will happen.  As long as we all learn from those mistakes, things should get better.


That's perfectly reasonable.
Hal
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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To reiterate, negative feedback no longer has an effect on reputation score.  For that reason, I have removed the display of negative feedback.

Just need to get rid of the column on the reputation results page and all trace of it will be gone.


maybe change the graphic to a "!" since they are now being used to notify moderators...
-JoN
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I agree with skip.  CENSORSHIP !!!!!
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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Relax!  It's not like The Man is going to hold you down.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantpauls42
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I agree with skip.  CENSORSHIP !!!!!


give me a break.. 
Paul
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
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I agree with skip.  CENSORSHIP !!!!!


give me a break.. 

What you would you like broken?  

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
I like IMDB
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Starting today, we'll be running a trial of more stringent forum moderation.  For the next several days, the following additional forum rules are in effect.


Now that things seem to be settling down, I'm curious to know the results of the trial.  Or are you still evaluating?
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