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For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits".

The above rule just states that actors can only be gleaned from the "end credits".  Nowhere does it say all actors must be listed in the end credits one after the other, just that it be in a single section at the end of the film which happens to be called the "end credits".  The rules are just reinforcing the notion that if actors are listed at the beginning of a film and also at the end of the film, then the info must be taken from just a single section which happens to be the "end credits".

At least this is how I read it.  It is just another one of those rules that should be made clearer.  Obviously dancers aren't crew.

Agree with this and that's exactly the point of my previous post, There more than one way to read the rule. This is not because one or two users say that the cast member suddenly became crew member that its make the affirmation true and logic. They are on screen so they are in the cast, this is perfectly evident.

If they were not in the credit and someone give them uncredited credit it will be ok, but if they are credited and someone want to credit them that's not ok. I'm sorry but the way that some here read the rule make no sense (don't talk of you Graham, I agree with you).

And Giga since when do we give any credibility to IMDB for the movie credits?

"...those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section"

I just don't understand how this part of the Rule can be interpreted any way except one.  All of the credited cast must be in the same single section.

If the dancers are not in the same single section of the credits with the rest of the cast, and they clearly are not according to the screenshot, then they are not considered part of the "end credits" as defined in the Rules.

Just because someone appears on screen does not make them part of the cast.  Stunt people appear on screen but are not included in the cast (unless they are imbedded within the same section as the rest of the cast).

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a credit is a credit nobody speaks of cast credit or cast members, even imdb has them as other crew

So if you were watching a dvd and noticed Alan Greenspan dancing in the ballroom scene and he was not listed in any of the credits, you wouldn't add him to Uncredited cast?  Simply because he happened to be dancing?  To each his own, I guess.

I think you misunderstand.  What Giga said is, if someone is listed in the crew section as a dancer, you can not add them to the profile as 'dancer (uncredited)'.

If he is not listed in any of the credits, as a dancer, then he is not credited so can be entered as 'dancer (uncredited)'.

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"...those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section"

But it goes on to say that what you are referring to is defined here as the "end credits"

I translate this as the following equation:  single section = end credits

Nowhere does it talk about just a single section within the end credits.

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Just because someone appears on screen does not make them part of the cast.  Stunt people appear on screen but are not included in the cast (unless they are imbedded within the same section as the rest of the cast).

They are there to take the place of the actor and we are suppose to think that the the person on screen is always the actor, so yes no credit. The dancers don't replace other actors (Flashdance is an exception) and they play a part in a movie, so yes they are credited. We are not here to judge the importance of the role. They have a role they are credited, what's so complicated with that?

But that's not what you said.

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This is not a question of feelings at all. They are on screen, so they are cast member.

You said if they appear on screen, that they are part of the cast.

You are now qualifying that statement.

Although it does not really matter.  They are not contained within the cast section of the credits, so they cannot be entered as part of the cast.

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Just because someone appears on screen does not make them part of the cast.  Stunt people appear on screen but are not included in the cast (unless they are imbedded within the same section as the rest of the cast).

They are there to take the place of the actor and we are suppose to think that the the person on screen is always the actor, so yes no credit. The dancers don't replace other actors (Flashdance is an exception) and they play a part in a movie, so yes they are credited. We are not here to judge the importance of the role. They have a role they are credited, what's so complicated with that?

But that's not what you said.

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This is not a question of feelings at all. They are on screen, so they are cast member.

You said if they appear on screen, that they are part of the cast.

You are now qualifying that statement.

Although it does not really matter.  They are not contained within the cast section of the credits, so they cannot be entered as part of the cast.

So Hal, are you saying that if the end credits are in the format:

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Main Crew

Main Cast

Some minor crew

Rest of cast

Rest of crew

We now should only list the Major Cast because they are not all listed in one list.

OK, the rest of you, I know it does not work this way! But Hal sounds like he thinks it does.

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So Hal, are you saying that if the end credits are in the format:

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Main Crew

Main Cast

Some minor crew

Rest of cast

Rest of crew

We now should only list the Major Cast because they are not all listed in one list.

OK, the rest of you, I know it does not work this way! But Hal sounds like he thinks it does.

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Um, I could be wrong, but I believe I already covered this above.  Hal is talking about 'standard credits' which is what we have in this case.

What you are describing are 'non-standard credits' and would be covered under the portion of the rule I quoted above.

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Um, I could be wrong, but I believe I already covered this above.  Hal is talking about 'standard credits' which is what we have in this case.

What you are describing are 'non-standard credits' and would be covered under the portion of the rule I quoted above.

Exactamundo!

Read the Rules.  If the end credits are NOT all in one section, then they are NOT "standard" credits.

The ones cited in the screen shot earlier in this thread ARE standard credits, therefore, the dancers are not allowed.

No, if the credits are split into two groups (main cast and dancers) then we don't have 'standard credits'. You can't claim that the part that makes the credits 'non-standard' is not there. Now if the rules were changed to say that dancers should only be listed if they are credited as part of the 'main flow' of the cast, then you would have a leg to stand on.   If this is what we need, it should be done for stunts also (not just be a forum 'rule' that most users will never know about!).

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edit: fixed typo: where -> were