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Which name fields do you prefer?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Since your system  is based soley on culture. Your system will cause just as many if NOT MORE probl;ems, since IF I am going to use culture. The use of double barreled last names and first names are far less common than they are in the European culture. that is why i don't talk about Culture, it is based on the data as displayed on screen not some arcane cultural design, be it Asian, American, European or whatever culture one might wish to inroduce.

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Additionally, my argument is based on what we have right NOW; three fields. I can't base it on a Single Field or any other design that is not what we have to contend with.  And i can promise you this even the Single field will not stop the argument. You will still xradman and others arguing Gong Li instead of Li gong.

We are ALWAYS going to have problems as long as people focus on culture and not data. Culture is local, data is not.

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It would be Lavaun Vondale/Elzay if we would parse it Lavaun Vondale//Elzay or Lavaun/Vondale/Elzay in the current 3 field system. If we would parse it now as Lavaun//Vondale Elzay, it would be Lavaun/Vondale Elzay. So we would gain a little bit less confusion, because we would only have 2 instead of 3 possibilites without loosing any functionality. The gain would be small IMO but it would be more than nothing.


Yes, there would be a small gain...1 in 3 vs 1 in 2.  But is that small gain, 17%, really worth the programming time that would be required?
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Rho:
You would be absolutely WRONG. but this was directed at Smee, not you. But since you chose to butt in.

The CORRECT parsing would be Lavaun/Vondale/Elzay.See what parsing base on culture gets you, WRONG data. It is now correctly poarsed both to A/B/C and to culture,but this is a fine example that the cultural answer solves NOTHING.

Now let me complicate the issue for you

Lavonne Vondale Elzay Magly

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Yes, there would be a small gain...1 in 3 vs 1 in 2.  But is that small gain, 17%, really worth the programming time that would be required?

Obviously I don't know exactly how the database works behind the scenes, but assuming a sensibly structured SQL database, converting the two existing First/Middle fields into a single field is trivial. I imagine adjusting the program to use this new single field would also be trivial.

Moving to a single name field rather than two would be a very bad idea. It solves none of the Asian name order issues and sacrifices last name search/sortability. I'd rather stick with the current system than move to a single field.

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My system is actually based far less on culture than the current system.

Because of cultural name order differences, the first/middle/last system gives us multiple databases entries for the same person (e.g. Gong Li and Li Gong). My preferred given/family system gets around this, as the person would always be entered the same no matter how the name is syntactically displayed on screen. Therefore it is less subject to cultural differences than your preferred system, and has the massive benefit of giving us a consistent database.
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The only culture part is that of three fields, which I don't control. I deal with what I am given. The programmer establishes all of the fields. Now this where I run out of patience with your cultural argument, Fly. Why might the programmer have used three fields do you suppose. Ummmmmm because he is a Yank maybe, and the Program is based in the US of A, not the UK. So it is for you to follow, if the program were written by a Brit and based in the UK I expect I would be using your cultural issues. It is for YOU to follow and get with the program instead of trying to cram yopur culture down somebody's throat.

I try to be patient and give an answer that is beased strcitly on data. Youy can't supply an answer that is data-based it always goes to culture. Give it up.

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It would be Lavaun Vondale/Elzay if we would parse it Lavaun Vondale//Elzay or Lavaun/Vondale/Elzay in the current 3 field system. If we would parse it now as Lavaun//Vondale Elzay, it would be Lavaun/Vondale Elzay. So we would gain a little bit less confusion, because we would only have 2 instead of 3 possibilites without loosing any functionality. The gain would be small IMO but it would be more than nothing.


Yes, there would be a small gain...1 in 3 vs 1 in 2.  But is that small gain, 17%, really worth the programming time that would be required?

No, I don't think so. If the system has to be changed for simpler data entry, I would definitely prefer the single field solution. But actually I do not think that parsing most names into the three fields is difficult. And as long nobody tells me that I have to count words, I'm quite happy with the current system.
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Rho:
You would be absolutely WRONG. but this was directed at Smee, not you. But since you chose to butt in.

The CORRECT parsing would be Lavaun/Vondale/Elzay.

I have in no word said what the correct parsing would be. How can I be wrong then?
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But since you chose to butt in.

Open forum, there is no such thing as butting in. Every reply is open to being replied to by anyone and everyone.
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Because of theis statement

"If we would parse it now as Lavaun//Vondale Elzay, it would be Lavaun/Vondale Elzay. So we would gain a little bit less confusion"

Less confusion for whom. It might make it less confusing for those of you in the Euro culture.

That parsing woulkd be totally inappropriate in either case, Rho. It may be appropriate according to yours, because you would setup 2 fields to accomodate Euro culture, but guess what Lavaun is not European. She was a native born American and Vondale was her middle name. As i commented before i am sure that the three fields were setup by Ken because he is American, but from my POV that was irrelevant. I simply deal with data, three datasets, use the three fields, if you can document something different even for an initial Contribution, then great I am all for it.

But to create CLARITY for Euros who, I won't make the commentI am thinking about, while totally ignoring and causing more confusion elsewhere is just plain...well...selfish in a very disgusting way. At least with A/B/C I have allowed for different parsing variations with documentation. You would just totally ignore any other culture than your own. Is this out of arrogance, laziness or something else .

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No, I don't think so. If the system has to be changed for simpler data entry, I would definitely prefer the single field solution. But actually I do not think that parsing most names into the three fields is difficult. And as long nobody tells me that I have to count words, I'm quite happy with the current system.


You have to count words. 
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Because of theis statement

"If we would parse it now as Lavaun//Vondale Elzay, it would be Lavaun/Vondale Elzay. So we would gain a little bit less confusion"

Less confusion for whom. It might make it less confusing for those of you in the Euro culture.

That parsing woulkd be totally inappropriate in either case, Rho. It may be appropriate according to yours, because you would setup 2 fields to accomodate Euro culture, but guess what Lavaun is not European. She was a native born American and Vondale was her middle name. As i commented before i am sure that the three fields were setup by Ken because he is American, but from my POV that was irrelevant. I simply deal with data, three datasets, use the three fields, if you can document something different even for an initial Contribution, then great I am all for it.

But to create CLARITY for Euros who, I won't make the commentI am thinking about, while totally ignoring and causing more confusion elsewhere is just plain...well...selfish in a very disgusting way. At least with A/B/C I have allowed for different parsing variations with documentation. You would just totally ignore any other culture than your own. Is this out of arrogance, laziness or something else .

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Have you noticed the "if" at the beginning of the sentence. There is another "if" in the sentence before the one that you have quoted. Again how can I be wrong in those two statements?
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And as long nobody tells me that I have to count words, I'm quite happy with the current system.

You have to count words. 

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And as long nobody tells me that I have to count words, I'm quite happy with the current system.

You have to count words. 




I am actually quite happy with the current system as well.  You see a name, you parse it as best you can, and hope for the best.  If a question comes up, address it and move on.  If we could all do that, I think the system...while not perfect...would work fine.
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What I see you claiming, Rho is that Viondale is part of her last name, which would be right by Euro standards MAYBE. You would have been clearer had you said she could be parsed as LV/M OR L/VM, you simply made what i viewed as a complete assumption which was totally wrong.

Now don't ask me where Vondale comes from, Rho. I can't tell you that. I would have thought that it was a family name from somewhere and I would expect to find Vondales somewhere in the family tree....NOPE.

You have to count words. 

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And as long nobody tells me that I have to count words, I'm quite happy with the current system.

You have to count words. 


I am actually quite happy with the current system as well.  You see a name, you parse it as best you can, and hope for the best.  If a question comes up, address it and move on.  If we could all do that, I think the system...while not perfect...would work fine.

I would still be happy with the current system, but then you have told me to count words.
I do agree about the rest of your statement.
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