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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
If I remember correctly, Ken did not say it 'publicly'. He said it in response to a PM from m.cellophane. While I have no reason to doubt his word, and to be clear I DO trust his word, it is not the same as a public statement by Ken. Okay, granted, but it sure has made me confident in voting no in such cases. The use of "credited as" is required by the rules - again, one isn't required to know everything, but if a voter happens to be able to point out an error in your update, you should be willing to correct it. |
| | Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | You can't win either way i have made a contribution removing a Credited As for X-Men 1.5: Collector's Edition 024543-062936 Quote:
Credited As: Rebecca Romijn [Rebecca Romijn-Stamos] the credited as is not needed as Rebecca Romijn-Stamos is now the common name.
CLT
"Rebecca Romijn-Stamos" is credited in the following 112 titles (430 profiles):
"Rebecca Romijn" is credited in the following 68 titles (127 profiles): Have just got a no vote saying Quote:
Her legal name is Rebecca Romijn, so I agree with existing profile Have i got it wrong? or does the person voting no not understand how the credited as and CLT are used. | | | | Last edited: by ninehours |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Common Name is not generally to be used for for Legal Name, ninehours, you are correct. It is about the Most Commonly Credited Name.
We can make some exceptions to accomodate international standards, but in general NO, your data was correct.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,316 |
| | Posted: | | | | Right... Ken himself clarified that he wants the most commonly credited name... Quoting Ken Cole:Quote:
The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs. The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name.
However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered. Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Ken has publicly said that voting no for not using a common name where it is needed is allowed. Of course, nobody is required to know everything, but if a voter can supply the details to you, you should either be prepared to correct your contribution, or shouldn't be surprised when someone votes against it. That's ridiculous. I did a full audit of a dvd shortly after Invelos existed and received a no vote because I didn't use a 'credited as' for a minor cast member. The 'credited as' nor the 'common name' were not present in the existing profile. The rules say to use cast and crew AS CREDITED. If someone knows that the 'credited as' function is required then that is up to them to utilise. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
You can't win either way i have made a contribution removing a Credited As for X-Men 1.5: Collector's Edition 024543-062936
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Credited As: Rebecca Romijn [Rebecca Romijn-Stamos] the credited as is not needed as Rebecca Romijn-Stamos is now the common name.
CLT
"Rebecca Romijn-Stamos" is credited in the following 112 titles (430 profiles):
"Rebecca Romijn" is credited in the following 68 titles (127 profiles):
Have just got a no vote saying
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Her legal name is Rebecca Romijn, so I agree with existing profile
Have i got it wrong? or does the person voting no not understand how the credited as and CLT are used. I can see where the 'no' voter is coming from. The common name used to be 'Rebecca Romijn'. Yes, it has shifted 'Rebecca Romijn-Stamos', but it will probably shift back now that she is no longer using that name. Technically, the change is correct, but should the change be made? Odds are it will have to be changed back in the future. This is the unfortunate flaw in using the most credited form of the name. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can see where the user is coming from too, Unicus. but I don't consider it an unfortunate consequence. I consider it a user confusing Common Name with what he THINKS it should be which is Legal Name. Somewhere along the way he must have realized his error or that he had no leg to stand on and changed his vote, whether he changed it to neutral or yes I have no idea, I do know there are no No votes showing.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | The No vote is still there Skip, its on the update to X-Men 1.5 not X2 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I believe I mentioned before the trouble with the female Actors/Actress especially the Hollywood varity is to marry and divorce at such a tremendous rate that we end up changing thier credited name more often due to the marraige/divorce rate.
With these I would suggest as before to use thier Maiden name for all instances with the 'Credited As' to keep in par with the credits but so as to link all film apperances together.
So if Jolene divorces Brad and re-marries to H. Ford or V. Kilmer at least the link will be retained.
And as I have also stated just because somebody has got ### credits under name 'x' but only ## under name 'y' doesn't make the ### correct if it turns out they are credited WRONG if the first place.
Steve |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I can see where the user is coming from too, Unicus. but I don't consider it an unfortunate consequence. I consider it a user confusing Common Name with what he THINKS it should be which is Legal Name. Somewhere along the way he must have realized his error or that he had no leg to stand on and changed his vote, whether he changed it to neutral or yes I have no idea, I do know there are no No votes showing.
Skip Let me clarify my statement. The unfortunate consequence I was talking about is the fact that the common name, especially for women, can change over time. In this case, it used to be 'Rebecca Romijn'. It is currently, 'Rebecca Romijn-Stamos'. It will probably go back to ''Rebecca Romijn' in the future...unless she decides to use 'O'Connell'. Hope that helps to clear it up. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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I can see where the user is coming from too, Unicus. but I don't consider it an unfortunate consequence. I consider it a user confusing Common Name with what he THINKS it should be which is Legal Name. Somewhere along the way he must have realized his error or that he had no leg to stand on and changed his vote, whether he changed it to neutral or yes I have no idea, I do know there are no No votes showing.
Skip
Let me clarify my statement. The unfortunate consequence I was talking about is the fact that the common name, especially for women, can change over time. In this case, it used to be 'Rebecca Romijn'. It is currently, 'Rebecca Romijn-Stamos'. It will probably go back to ''Rebecca Romijn' in the future...unless she decides to use 'O'Connell'.
Hope that helps to clear it up. Another reason for using her Maiden name with "Credited As" for all the possible multi-marriages  Steve |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 72 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
If I remember correctly, Ken did not say it 'publicly'. He said it in response to a PM from m.cellophane. While I have no reason to doubt his word, and to be clear I DO trust his word, it is not the same as a public statement by Ken. "Ken wrote in a PM" can't be a valid reason for a "No-Vote" or decline contributions. It's enough to read the rules, follow polls and know every Post in this forum with Contribution Guidelines from Ken and Gerri. You must know - and follow - Kens PM too is to much. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Ken:
With all due respect, I will disagree wiuth qualification. If there are no notes accompanying such a change to begin with, then common courtesy has little to do with it. The user who selected the Common Name did nott document his change and it is therefore invalid and should either be research or simply restored to AS CREDITED.
Skip A absolutely agree. If the cast differs from as credited without any documentation we should and must follow "as credited". | | | | Last edited: by Rince81 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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I can see where the user is coming from too, Unicus. but I don't consider it an unfortunate consequence. I consider it a user confusing Common Name with what he THINKS it should be which is Legal Name. Somewhere along the way he must have realized his error or that he had no leg to stand on and changed his vote, whether he changed it to neutral or yes I have no idea, I do know there are no No votes showing.
Skip
Let me clarify my statement. The unfortunate consequence I was talking about is the fact that the common name, especially for women, can change over time. In this case, it used to be 'Rebecca Romijn'. It is currently, 'Rebecca Romijn-Stamos'. It will probably go back to ''Rebecca Romijn' in the future...unless she decides to use 'O'Connell'.
Hope that helps to clear it up.
Another reason for using her Maiden name with "Credited As" for all the possible multi-marriages
Steve Steve: It is most commonly credited, that';s it. Nothing else needs to be said. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
Another reason for using her Maiden name with "Credited As" for all the possible multi-marriages
Steve What about the actresses who never used their maiden name in any credits? Like Susan Sarandon (nee Tomalin) whose first credited role came after she married Chris. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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