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Why do we include job titles, military ranks in actors name fields?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaMikstar
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An opinion is a base to discuss to find a conclusion or the superior gives a statement. But opinion /= statement.
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You think an "In my opinion" is a clarification?   

But in that linked thread I see that you might be not the only one who thinks that an opinion from the owners should suppress all further thoughts.


bold by me...
And that is all fine and good... Ken and Gerri can think about it all they want... and change their mind all they want. But until they do... what they said is what must be followed.
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An opinion is a base to discuss to find a conclusion or the superior gives a statement. But opinion /= statement.


and a statement from them = a clarification.
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An opinion is a base to discuss to find a conclusion or the superior gives a statement. But opinion /= statement.


and a statement from them = a clarification.

But Gerri just told her opinion and did not give a statement.
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yes... and once again her (and Ken's) opinion is all that matters for the online database... when she gave her opinion on it... she was telling us how we are to do it. Why her opinion on how they want THEIR database don't seem to matter to you is beyond me.
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You should always keep in mind that their database is worth nothing without the community.

And I am used from the job that opinions are always open for discussion until the boss decides otherwise. I hope that is not too absurd!
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But as always... The wiser head gives in.

I'll withdraw and leave you Americans with your profiles. Saves me a lot of work. 
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You should always keep in mind that their database is worth nothing without the community.

And I am used from the job that opinions are always open for discussion until the boss decides otherwise. I hope that is not too absurd!


As you should keep in mind that we would have to rely on IMDb for cast & crew info and have to pay for the right to use it if it were not for this program and the 100s of users who VOLUNTARILY spend 1,000s of hours CONTRIBUTING to the online database.

This thread is pointless. It is quite evident to me that there are users that, no matter what the rules state, or what "opinions" are made by the developers, will never accept anything that they do not agree with and no amount "explaining" will convince them.
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This thread is pointless. It is quite evident to me that there are users that, no matter what the rules state, or what "opinions" are made by the developers, will never accept anything that they do not agree with and no amount "explaining" will convince them.

I wish i could express my thoughts as well (and as politely).
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When someone is in the service, their rank is part of their name. 


Sorry, I was in the military and my rank was never part of my name.  Never, ever did I sign any legal document, even military documents, with my rank included.

Deed for my house, voter registration, car title, etc, etc all signed with my name only.


I can only assume that you sign your legal name on all legal documents.  I can only assume you used your 'legal' name for all those other documents.  But I never said anything about a legal name, now, did I? 
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But as always... The wiser head gives in.

I'll withdraw and leave you Americans with your profiles. Saves me a lot of work. 


Americans? That's what this is all about isn't it? Must be us "Americans" and our global agenda to take over the film credit industry .

Good. Saves us "Americans" a lot of wasted time spent on voting on erroneous updates and posting in pointless threads.
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Sorry, but... My name is "Mik Star", my "MA" would never ever be part of my name. I would write it on my business cards, yes, but I don't want to be called "Mr. Mik Star, MA".

(...)


It is your name and you have the right to decide what is and isn't part of it.  You do not, however, have the right to decide for anybody else.  If an actor decides they want to include their title in their credit, we do not question it, we simply copy it exactly as it is in the credits.

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So, please tell me exactly where the rules say, I have to enter titles into a name field! I can find that paragraph.


I already did, you are simply refusing to see it.  The rules tell you to enter the name exactly as you see it.  Nowhere do they say you can decide what is and isn't part of the name.  There is a reason for that, and you have illustrated that reason perfectly, to remove personal preference from the equation.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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But Gerri just told her opinion and did not give a statement.


Yes, and as co-owner of the company...without a contradiction by Ken...her opinion is the only one that counts.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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This thread is pointless. It is quite evident to me that there are users that, no matter what the rules state, or what "opinions" are made by the developers, will never accept anything that they do not agree with and no amount "explaining" will convince them.


Too right.  I have come out on the wrong end of Ken or Gerri's opinions on several occasions...as have several other people.  You don't see us whining and crying about it. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Too true Unicus... I can say the same thing. There has been many times Ken and Gerri's opinion went against what I believed. But in those cases I just say Thanks... That is all I needed to know. And accept it for what it is. Their database... so their way.
Pete
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs.  The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name.


Ken wrote we should use the most commonly name. Some time ago i corrected a german Futurama Profile, i think it was Vice President/Al/Gore oder Vice/President Al/Gore. I correct this to Al/Gore [Vice President Al Gore]
The name of this Guy is not "Vice President Al Gore", it is just "Al Gore". "Vice" is not his first name, either "Vice President" or "Vice President Al" - it is just "Al".
I use the credit lookup tool to determine the most common name, for example Al Gore, Albert Gore, or Al J. Gore. But in my opinion "Vice President Al Gore" is simply not a name.

In my opinion this should be really only common sense or a general rule - but definitely not credit lookup. Really accurate data if we include the military rank in the common name of actor a and use credited as for actor b. Or if an "actor" gets promoted during his career... Let's try to make even the simple things difficult... 
I only can only speak for the german profiles, but in the german region you really get 100% YES votes by using credited as in this points  - and the profiles get approved without any problems. And i'm fine with it...

PS: Maggie Smith is credited as Dame Maggie Smith in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.
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