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Why do we include job titles, military ranks in actors name fields?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Let's try to make even the simple things difficult...
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What could be simpler than copying exactly what you see? 
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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And we wonder why the CLT is so useless when it comes to determining common name.
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@8ballMax
Now you made me laugh at least. The last updates I made on American DVDs were 100% correct (as always) and gratefully accepted, because they were just small or old films and all other owners of that DVD were to lazy to fill the gaps. But thank God, I did not have to removed ranks or titles to enter the correct names.

Btw. I am one of the 100s who spent a lot of spare time to fill the database with correct data and new profiles.

It would be stupid not to listen to the people who made the database what it is. If no user would have spent the hours to create or revise profiles the database would be empty. So, we deliver the content they sell to the customers of the DVD Profiler. Do you really think they are not interested in a discussion with the users and customers and the people who made the Profiler what it is?

You are right, it's their database... but we provide the content. For sure there must be rules, but an opinion doesn't make a rule even it was from God!

@Unicus69
Here in Germany I could sign all those documents with my pseudonym if it would be officially registered. There is a field on the ID card for these names. Military ranks would never appear on that ID card, titles like "Sir" (in Germany it might be "Graf" or "Baron" or something like that) afaik would.

Who is whining and crying? I'm sorry if I flipped your world upside down, but here the Military doesn't mean that much, that we would use ranks off duty. Even not if it's a family with a military history.
And if the boss give his opinion for discussion we are allowed to give our own opinions and to act upon them until the boss makes a clear decision (which is not an opinion). The boss' opinion is only to be followed if there are no other opinions.

Does it never come to your mind, that they might want other opinions to decide then?

You are right. I have no personal preference to count military ranks to the name. You have. So it would be easier to use the credited as than just enter the name with rank which leads the hole "name"-thing ad absurdum. "First Name... hmm... Admiral...". But with credited as you still have the military rank listed.
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I only can only speak for the german profiles, but in the german region you really get 100% YES votes by using credited as in this points  - and the profiles get approved without any problems. And i'm fine with it...
No problems with the british profiles too.

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PS: Maggie Smith is credited as Dame Maggie Smith in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.

Same in the UK Blu-ray. Maggie Smith [Dame Maggie Smith], but it's a bad example if you ask the CLT. But CLT also says that all US profiles are wrong then.
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Now you made me laugh at least. The last updates I made on American DVDs were 100% correct (as always) and gratefully accepted, because they were just small or old films and all other owners of that DVD were to lazy to fill the gaps. But thank God, I did not have to removed ranks or titles to enter the correct names.


Obviously they weren't 100% correct were they...Top Gun, case-in-point.

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Btw. I am one of the 100s who spent a lot of spare time to fill the database with correct data and new profiles.


Obviously it's not correct data if profiles like Top Gun slip through.

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It would be stupid not to listen to the people who made the database what it is. If no user would have spent the hours to create or revise profiles the database would be empty. So, we deliver the content they sell to the customers of the DVD Profiler. Do you really think they are not interested in a discussion with the users and customers and the people who made the Profiler what it is?

You are right, it's their database... but we provide the content. For sure there must be rules, but an opinion doesn't make a rule even it was from God!


The fact is that Gerri was interested in the topic and posted her "opinion" on this matter making it a rule. Your're disagreement with her "opinion" is noted.
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And we wonder why the CLT is so useless when it comes to determining common name.

Well... If you have a "Private Joe Dirt" and a "Sergeant Joe Dirt" who happens to be one person, you will never find both in the CLT when the rank is not just credited as.
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Obviously they weren't 100% correct were they...Top Gun, case-in-point.

The previous all have been accepted. I don't know if they had 100% YES, but all accepted, because correct.

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Obviously it's not correct data if profiles like Top Gun slip through.

Just because you don't like it, it makes it incorrect. 

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The fact is that Gerri was interested in the topic and posted her "opinion" on this matter making it a rule. Your're disagreement with her "opinion" is noted.

Opinions are no rules, even if you hammer it. Decisions are!
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Whilst I agree that we should include the prefixes and suffixes mentioned in the name field I can understand where the confusion lies.
The rules only tell us to enter the names into the fields and, like it or not, this leaves a lot to personal interpretation. Some would class "Sir" as part of the name and would include it, others would not and would ignore it.
So it's only understandable that different people have different opinions on what constitutes a name or not. And we have to be clear that the rules talk about names here. They state "list names exactly as they are in the credits." Therefore if someone believes that something onscreen is not part of a name, they won't include it, as per their interpretation of the rules.
Yes Gerri's statement (and the first part is a statement, the opinion is what follows it) does clarify that for the purposes of Profiler, prefixes and suffixes are part of the name but that has to be followed up by an amendment to the rules telling people this otherwise we end up debating the same things over and over and we never get anywhere.
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I thought you said you were leaving? I guess that info wasn't 100% correct .
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What could be simpler than copying exactly what you see? 


If i want to crosslink the different name versions of some actors simply copying the screen is just useless...

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And we wonder why the CLT is so useless when it comes to determining common name.


Please don't blame me. Its just the useless CLT in this cases. Please try to confirm the correct common name via CLT in this case. I just quote imdb:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0245653/
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Capt. Dale A. Dye | Capt. Dale Dye | Captain Dale A. Dye | Captain Dale Dye | Dale A. Dye | USMC Ret. Capt. Dale Dye | USMC [Ret.] Capt. Dale Dye | USMC [ret.] Capt. Dale Dye | USMC [ret] Capt. Dale Dye | Capt. Dale Dye USMC Ret. | Capt. Dale Dye U.S.M.C. [Ret.] | Capt. Dale Dye USMC [Ret.] | Capt. Dale Dye USMC [Ret] | Capt. Dale Dye USMC [ret.] | Capt. Dale Dye USMC [ret]


If this actor really is credited with all this variants using the credit lookup tool would be great fun...
I would use CLT only to confirm either "Dale Dye" or "Dale A. Dye" is more common... I spent my leisure time with contributing and updating profiles, too. But i just want to spent my time reasonable...
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Whilst I agree that we should include the prefixes and suffixes mentioned in the name field I can understand where the confusion lies.
The rules only tell us to enter the names into the fields and, like it or not, this leaves a lot to personal interpretation. Some would class "Sir" as part of the name and would include it, others would not and would ignore it.


The rule states to enter the names exactly as they appear in the credits. How is the use of the word exactly confusing? How can one interpret exactly as meaning everything except what I don't believe should be included? To me, that is not an interpretation...it is a total disregard of the rule.
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It's not the word "exactly" that is open to confusion. It's the word "name".
The rules tell us to enter the name exactly as it is on screen. But they don't define what "name" means for the purposes of Profiler.
If the rules simply said that the name includes any prefixes or suffixes we'd be fine, but they don't.
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I give up.

Ya'll do whatever the hell you want. I lock my profiles anyways.
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The rule states to enter the names exactly as they appear in the credits. How is the use of the word exactly confusing? How can one interpret exactly as meaning everything except what I don't believe should be included?


But why we have a special rule how to enter nicknames (niddle name, not part of the first and the last name) and now try to fit ranks in the regular rules? In my opinion they just don't fit...
I enter military ranks just as they appear in the credits - credited as is a great feature, but i just don't think this should be included in the common name. I don't say to ignore this data...
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I thought you said you were leaving? I guess that info wasn't 100% correct .

I said I'd leave you Americans with your profiles.

But I buy my stuff in many countries like Germany, UK, Ireland, Hong Kong, Japan, France and Canada. 
And of course the USA, when a Blu-ray for me just is as expensive as a meal at Mc Donald's. 
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What could be simpler than copying exactly what you see? 


If i want to crosslink the different name versions of some actors simply copying the screen is just useless...


In those cases, you would try and find the most commonly credited form of the name.  Whether that name includes a rank or not is besides the point.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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