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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
... Of course I agree with Pete there's no way every situation can be addressed in the rules. What can be done however is to clarify them - whenever Ken and Gerri see fit. Which is what I believe they have done. Only they can change it in the rules themselves... not us. So until they see fit to add any clarification to the actual rules... all we can do is point those that don't know any better to the clarifications on the forum. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let me explain my comment for , Hilbert. What this amounts to is a user or users who want to do thing DIFFERENTLY from the way they have been done for THREE years, which affects many hundreds of Profiles. If and when Ken gives us a prefix and MAYBE even a suffix field, that becomes a NEW ballgame, but to change the way we do things because THIS WEEK a user has his preference and next week another user has his and so one. The we will FOREVER be editing and re-editing the SAME data as users move the goalposts all over the field, that situation is not really much different than what used to happen under the Old Guidelines. So,,,,simply follow the Rules.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree 100%, Pete! Let me try and explain myself in a different way. You two (I'm referring to Pete and Skip) belong to the select group of "rule experts" - your level of expertise is miles apart from the average DVDP user. And exactly this fact in a way makes you the LEAST qualified users to assess the clarity of the rules to an average user - what is perfectly obvious to you guys may very well not be obvious to others. They may not even be aware of an issue. Exactly the same reason why user manuals are so often misunderstood by non-expert users or why computer experts fail to comprehend why an average user regards something as a problem or why an average user would not recognize a problem. Ideally, contribution rule drafts would be submitted to an international test panel of non-expert DVDP users to verify they're as unambiguous as can be!  | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, sadly, deejay, the Rules teams were made up of an international team of users, DELIBERATELY. We know that everything cannot be covered in the Rules, no matter how hard we try, we also recognize that we aren't in control of the data, Hollywood does, that being the case new things are going to be found all the time, though I think by and large at this point most of that problem will be generated by future films as opposed to discovering something in a past film at least I hope we are past tha particular phase now.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Well, sadly, deejay, the Rules teams were made up of an international team of users, DELIBERATELY.(...) There has never been an official rules team. Some guys have made a rules proposal to Intervocative and that's it. And if I remember correctly the first rules revision has not been so successful for anything regarding non region 1. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | My God, Rho, you know an awful lot, for somebody who knows so little. Is your nose bent because you weren't part of it. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Well, sadly, deejay, the Rules teams were made up of an international team of users, DELIBERATELY. We know that everything cannot be covered in the Rules, no matter how hard we try, we also recognize that we aren't in control of the data, Hollywood does, that being the case new things are going to be found all the time, though I think by and large at this point most of that problem will be generated by future films as opposed to discovering something in a past film at least I hope we are past tha particular phase now.
Skip O, I believe you, no problem there. The point is: as soon as you sit on a team like that and get involved in discussions on how to phrase a particular rule, you're no longer an "average" user - you would need separate panels to test how it comes across to (the bulk of) your target group. Quite a few companies work like that. What you need is - to borrow a term from experimental psychology - "naïve subjects". |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 72 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I have an easier answer for you, Hilbert. Follow the Rules.
Skip Rules which are older than the Credit Lookup Tool and older than the Profiler feature to set a common name which differs from the screen name to enable crosslinks... The rules are often inefficient, ambivalent or often simply not fit special problems. Just for example, what means "name" in this thread or what means series in this case: Quote:
In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile.
Means this different seasons oder different series, in this British or American English? Did this rule apply to a Friends Season 1-10 Box or to a possible Friends and Joey Box? Sometimes rules should be changed or recruited. This should be guidelines for easy and traceable contributions for the regular not as a holy grail or a constitution which not can be changed. PS: I try to follow the rules, i stopped contributing or correcting the profiles for asian movies or anime i own, i don't want to work twice... | | | | Last edited: by Rince81 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
You said that the rank becomes part of the persons name.
Now you want to play semantics that you did not say it was part of their legal name. Please don't blame me for you assuming I meant something I didn't. Quote:
Nice try, but rank is not part of anyone's name. When I walk into an office and the name plate reads, "Corpral John Smith," that is his name. When I get a letter, and the letter head reads, "Admiral Sam Jones," that is his name. When I read a report detailing an incident that reads, "Private Jim Sanders did whatever," that is his name. As I said, 21+ years worth of dealing with the military taught me that a person's rank is part of their name. If you didn't learn that lesson, well, such is life I guess. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
When I read a report detailing an incident that reads, "Private Jim Sanders did whatever," that is his name. Which begs the question: "Private Jim/Sanders/did whatever" or "Private Jim//Sanders did whatever"?  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Well, sadly, deejay, the Rules teams were made up of an international team of users, DELIBERATELY.(...)
There has never been an official rules team. Some guys have made a rules proposal to Intervocative and that's it. And if I remember correctly the first rules revision has not been so successful for anything regarding non region 1. Sorry Rho, but the original rules were written by a team of users. Since Ken published those rules, I would call that 'official'. In addition, these 'some guys who made a rules proposa to Intervocative' were also an official team. I have read the chat logs where they discussed issues with Ken. I have a hard time believing he would spend his time with a group that wasn't official. Nothing ever came out of that because of the legal problems over at IVS. Now the third team, that was unofficial. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
When I walk into an office and the name plate reads, "Corpral John Smith," that is his name.
When I get a letter, and the letter head reads, "Admiral Sam Jones," that is his name.
When I read a report detailing an incident that reads, "Private Jim Sanders did whatever," that is his name.
As I said, 21+ years worth of dealing with the military taught me that a person's rank is part of their name. If you didn't learn that lesson, well, such is life I guess. No, it's a name with a rank in front of it. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,595 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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You said that the rank becomes part of the persons name.
Now you want to play semantics that you did not say it was part of their legal name.
Please don't blame me for you assuming I meant something I didn't.
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Nice try, but rank is not part of anyone's name.
When I walk into an office and the name plate reads, "Corpral John Smith," that is his name.
When I get a letter, and the letter head reads, "Admiral Sam Jones," that is his name.
When I read a report detailing an incident that reads, "Private Jim Sanders did whatever," that is his name.
As I said, 21+ years worth of dealing with the military taught me that a person's rank is part of their name. If you didn't learn that lesson, well, such is life I guess. Rank IS part of a military member's name. At a private Squad party our Unit Commander showed up and I made the huge mistake of addressing him by his first name. Of course I was a little drunk at the time and it was a momentary lapse of judgement but the result was the same. NEVER DID THAT AGAIN  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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When I read a report detailing an incident that reads, "Private Jim Sanders did whatever," that is his name.
Which begs the question: "Private Jim/Sanders/did whatever" or "Private Jim//Sanders did whatever"? Without any documentation to the contrary, "Private Jim/Sanders did/whatever".  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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When I read a report detailing an incident that reads, "Private Jim Sanders did whatever," that is his name.
Which begs the question: "Private Jim/Sanders/did whatever" or "Private Jim//Sanders did whatever"? No since "Private" is part of his name, it must be 'Private/Jim/Sanders'. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually , unicus the third team never got past the discussion stage, but during that stage it was every bit as official as the others, which were official by my guess, relative to the intimate involvement of IVS.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
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