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20th Century Fox Home Entertainment vs. Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorBerak
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Studios
List the Studios in the following priority.

    * Theatrical Release Studio(s)
    * Production Company(s)
    * DVD Distribution studio(s) if there is room available.

Do not abbreviate Studio names. e.g, use Universal Pictures not just Universal; The Criterion Collection rather than Criterion or Criterion Collection; Walt Disney Pictures not just Disney or Disney DVD. Exception: If the studio name is too long to fit, use standard abbreviation rules.

There is further information about correct names for studios, and the opportunity to ask questions if unsure, in the Contributions forum.

Then see the Studios thread. Which is VERY clear.

Skip


All well and good Skip, but I really don't see the name "Studio Reference Thread" mentioned specifically in the rules, so this explanation is at best ambigous IMHO.
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Studios
List the Studios in the following priority.

    * Theatrical Release Studio(s)
    * Production Company(s)
    * DVD Distribution studio(s) if there is room available.

Do not abbreviate Studio names. e.g, use Universal Pictures not just Universal; The Criterion Collection rather than Criterion or Criterion Collection; Walt Disney Pictures not just Disney or Disney DVD. Exception: If the studio name is too long to fit, use standard abbreviation rules.

There is further information about correct names for studios, and the opportunity to ask questions if unsure, in the Contributions forum.

Then see the Studios thread. Which is VERY clear.

Skip

Except that this doesn't say anything at all. One: the rules don't even point to that thread. Two: the original poster of that thread has confirmed (here) that it's listed there as such only because the field wasn't long enough to contain the correct form back then, adding that he's not updating the thread at the moment awaiting further clarification from Ken over a much broader studio names dispute. So what's your point? The rules don't prefer "20th" or "Twentieth". All I'm doing, is entering "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" when I see the words "Distributed by Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" on the cover. I'm amazed that you're trying that make that look like rule-breaking. I'm simply entering the distributor "AS CREDITED".
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Berak:

Studios
List the Studios in the following priority.

    * Theatrical Release Studio(s)
    * Production Company(s)
    * DVD Distribution studio(s) if there is room available.

Do not abbreviate Studio names. e.g, use Universal Pictures not just Universal; The Criterion Collection rather than Criterion or Criterion Collection; Walt Disney Pictures not just Disney or Disney DVD. Exception: If the studio name is too long to fit, use standard abbreviation rules.

There is further information about correct names for studios, and the opportunity to ask questions if unsure, in the Contributions forum.

Then see the Studios thread. Which is VERY clear.

Skip

Except that this doesn't say anything at all. One: the rules don't even point to that thread. Two: the original poster of that thread has confirmed (here) that it's listed there as such only because the field wasn't long enough to contain the correct form back then, adding that he's not updating the thread at the moment awaiting further clarification from Ken over a much broader studio names dispute. So what's your point? The rules don't prefer "20th" or "Twentieth". All I'm doing, is entering "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" when I see the words "Distributed by Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" on the cover. I'm amazed that you're trying that make that look like rule-breaking.


Duh, where would i look for that, george. Hmmmmm maybe the thread that says "Pinned: Studios Reference Thread ". Ya think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Interesting, the rules state: "Do not abbreviate Studio names."
Isn't 20th an abbreviation of Twentieth?
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No, it's not. North but thalk you for playing  Abreviations follow a pattern if you will check most dictionariens. For example Entertainment to Ent. (note the period) THAT is an abbreviation. it can be said that 20th is a short form of twentieth but NOT an abbreviation.

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I have ALWAYS followed the rules

No, you have not. I'm willing to provide examples, if I must.

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and I have just a tad more expertise at them than you do.

Unfortunately, you don't. I've been a DVD Profiler user just as long as you have, I've contributed a whole lot more than you have, and I've "won" the vast majority of our disputes - in some of which Ken personally had to come in and set you straight. I don't see where this self-explained "expertise" of yours comes from. You talk about it an awful lot, but you don't actually show much of it.

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You don't have ANY knowledge of their background AT ALL, you weren't involved and NEVER have been.

This helps your argument how? So you were involved - if you're wrong, you're still wrong, and if I'm right, I'm still right. It just doesn't matter. Additionally, I have sometimes felt that the fact that you WERE involved with the creation of the rules has made you blind of seeing them as they are now (after having been edited/changed/expanded by Ken multiple times, and after we've seen major changes like common names/credited as). You're often so blind by your own intent from back then, that you don't seem to be able to see what the rules actually say today. In that regard, having had nothing to do with it helps me enormously: I don't have the burden of alledged intent, but I just see the rules as they are now.

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so stop pretending that you know that which you do NOT, or that you have the powers to divine them, whiuch you dpon't either. You do, however, frequently go rogue as you have on this issue and do what you damn well please, Rules be damned.

I certainly don't do as I "damn well please" - I always try to follow the rules to the letter. I may well have made mistakes once in a while - unlike you I won't claim I'm flawless when I'm not - but not intentionally. This hurling about of wild unfounded accusations - is that really the best you can do to further this debate?
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ROFLMAO, Tim, you contribute "more" because you contribute little pieces of the Same titles 6 or 7 times. If you did FULL title audits you would have not much to back yourself up. The issue is not how long you have been a user, Tim, that's not relevant. The salient point is that you were NEVER involved in any the Rules Teams....NEVER, you have NO knowledge what into their development or the whys and wherefores of why things were done, so stop pretending that you know more than you don't. Because ofg the way you do your Contributions I am not impressed by your number whatever it is, nor do I know what it is or even what mine is because my ego doesn't require that kind of stroking, but to lay a claim based on self-inflated numbers is just silly, Tim.

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ROFLMAO, Tim, you contribute "more" because you contribute little pieces of the Same titles 6 or 7 times. If you did FULL title audits you would have not much to back yourself up. The issue is not how long you have been a user, Tim, that's not relevant. The salient point is that you were NEVER involved in any the Rules Teams....NEVER, you have NO knowledge what into their development or the whys and wherefores of why things were done, so stop pretending that you know more than you don't. Because ofg the way you do your Contributions I am not impressed by your number whatever it is, nor do I know what it is or even what mine is because my ego doesn't require that kind of stroking, but to lay a claim based on self-inflated numbers is just silly, Tim.

Skip

Obviously, you have no idea what you're talking about - it's all too ridiculous to address. I won't: I've said all I can think of for now, and you're certainly not bringing anything new or interesting to the table. I may actually go and WATCH a DVD for a change... For old times' sake, and since you reminded me of it yourself, let's look back at you talking about your ego some more:

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You are not the Rules God and neither am I, but i am far closer to them than you are.

So it's safe to say that I agree with you that your ego doesn't require any more stroking.
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I have ALWAYS followed the rules

No, you have not. I'm willing to provide examples, if I must.

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and I have just a tad more expertise at them than you do.

Unfortunately, you don't. I've been a DVD Profiler user just as long as you have, I've contributed a whole lot more than you have, and I've "won" the vast majority of our disputes - in some of which Ken personally had to come in and set you straight. I don't see where this self-explained "expertise" of yours comes from. You talk about it an awful lot, but you don't actually show much of it.

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You don't have ANY knowledge of their background AT ALL, you weren't involved and NEVER have been.

This helps your argument how? So you were involved - if you're wrong, you're still wrong, and if I'm right, I'm still right. It just doesn't matter. Additionally, I have sometimes felt that the fact that you WERE involved with the creation of the rules has made you blind of seeing them as they are now (after having been edited/changed/expanded by Ken multiple times, and after we've seen major changes like common names/credited as). You're often so blind by your own intent from back then, that you don't seem to be able to see what the rules actually say today. In that regard, having had nothing to do with it helps me enormously: I don't have the burden of alledged intent, but I just see the rules as they are now.

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so stop pretending that you know that which you do NOT, or that you have the powers to divine them, whiuch you dpon't either. You do, however, frequently go rogue as you have on this

issue and do what you damn well please, Rules be damned.

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I certainly don't do as I "damn well please" - I always try to follow the rules to the letter. I may well have made mistakes once in a while - unlike you I won't claim I'm flawless when I'm not - but not intentionally. This hurling about of wild unfounded accusations - is that really the best you can do to further this debate?


I am NOT talking about mistakes, Tim We all make those. I am talking about blatanytly ignoring the Rules, which you HAVE done before and have ANNOUNCED to everyone in this thread that you intend to again despite what the rules, the Stuios thread and your OWN poll tells you to do. The only thing that counts is what Tim's all-knowing wisdom dicattes and he is right...he has to be...because after all he is the Tim.

Just follow the Rules and stop creating your own as you go. You know I don't care what you do locally, you can call Fox Tom, Dick and Harry for all i care just don't contribute it and don't try to pretend that rules allow you to do it. I am astounded at your creation of a poll, and then announcing, in essence, that the poll was worthless, you were going to do what you want anyway. Even I can't be accused of ever having done that.<shakes head in sorrow> The arrogance and self-importance are simply astounding, I have never seen its like before.

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The arrogance and self-importance are simply astounding, I have never seen its like before.

Hey, look: there's yet another thing we feel the same about! Only with me it's about your arrogance and self-importance, obviously. As for the rest of that post: once again you don't seem to have read what I have said before - I've rebutted all of that already. The rules don't support you, and I started the poll without having a preference. I was merely convinced by the likes of Daddy DVD, northbloke, m.cellophane, CalebAndCo, Unicus69 and others, plus extensive research by myself.
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Wow, I missed a lot by going to Best Buy this morning. 

A couple of things...well, maybe three things...

First to the forum thread.  The fact that a studio is listed there doesn't mean it is correct.  As has been pointed out, we chose '20th' over 'Twentieth' because it didn't fit the field.  Now that it does, we should use the 'correct' studio name...since that is what the rules call for.  In this case, that name is 'Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment'.

Second, whether or not you believe it 'adds value' is a non-issue.  Some people would say that reproducing typos in the overview adds no value.  But that doesn't matter, now does it?  No, because that isn't our measuring stick.  The rules call for 'correct studio names' and that is what we should enter.

Third, I don't know how anybody...especially Skip...can argue against what is printed on the back of the case.  I have two questions that should put this issue to rest:

  • If the logo in the DVD credits is 'Disney DVD' and the back of the case reads, "Distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment," which do you enter?


  • If the logo in the DVD credits is 'Dimension Home Video' and the back of the case reads, "Distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment," which do you enter?


  • I already know the answer, it's BVHE.  Why should this be any different?  If it is decided that the logo in the credits takes precedence over 'distribued by' on the DVD case, you are going to have a HUGE mess on your hands. 
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    Thank you. That's all I've been trying to say for the past couple of pages...     
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    Well put Unicus 
    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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    Changed my vote.
    Hal
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    *Clapping at Unicus*   
    Berak

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    I may actually go and WATCH a DVD for a change...


    That's what I'm going to go do! 
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